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Because it is the ideal solution for a mature humanity. by Senor Barborito 07/16/2003, 5:21am PDT
Lizard_King wrote:

Then why do you keep advocating it [socialism]?

Eventually people will grow tired of behaving like children (fighting over trifles nonstop, breaking toys of others that they can't have) in a collective sense and desire to grow as a group. A cry of 'let us maximize our collective output and progress and save ourselves from X' will ring from shore to shore. Socialism is intended for that period of time and every human I have met has been capable of understanding this. Nobody acts on it thanks to their natural darwinist impulses that they have not yet learned to supress - much like children and animals will not and can not, respectively, supress their own uncooperative impulses. This site, much like the entirety of the increasingly successful Open Source movement and indeed much of the better content on the Internet, exists because of the ability of those producing and maintaining it to ignore those impulses.

Eventually either through brilliant design or sheer random probability involving circumstance1 a self-perpetuating and above all non-oligarchal (the primary failing of every communist nation in history is oligarchy2) society of decentralized socialism must, logically, emerge. Such a system stands a far better chance of stability and productivity once established due to heightened efficiency of all workers. In the case of a great cause, once that condition is met the society will dissolve. With brilliant design, the system will collapse from failure to adapt like any nation, unless the architect(s) is immortal.

What scares me is that such a system also stands a far better chance of continued stability if it is authoritarian in nature. Since full supression of a person's childish (or animal) nature is less likely than partial, the nearly eternal authoritarian centralized but non-oligarchal communist society is far more likely to emerge than the ideal decentralized non-oligarchal socialist society.

For my own self, the X in 'cause X' has always equaled cessation as a natural byproduct of my own status as an agnostic (in the colloquial sense3) and having read Descartes.

--SB


1i.e. a great cause such as early Christianity had, a catalyst might be automation of production via Von Neumann machines.

2The same will be said about the United States.

3gnostics actually believed in God, but believed they did not or could not comprehend the form of God
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Cretins of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your prosperity. by Lizard_King 07/13/2003, 6:52pm PDT NEW
    Rimshot by Lizard_King 07/13/2003, 6:57pm PDT NEW
        When in doubt, trot out the terrists NT by Damocles 07/14/2003, 12:09pm PDT NEW
            When in doubt, post nonsense. See above for example. by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:20pm PDT NEW
                Re: When in doubt, post strawmen. See above for example. by Damocles 07/15/2003, 3:00pm PDT NEW
                    Re: When in doubt, post strawmen. See above for example. by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:25am PDT NEW
                        Re: When in doubt, post strawmen. See above for example. by Damocles 07/16/2003, 4:53am PDT NEW
                            Which would imply I was a Republican to begin with. by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:24pm PDT NEW
    Are you angry about the US administration being raped? You're so trolly lately. NT by Senor Barborito 07/14/2003, 7:16am PDT NEW
        You are the only person here who would think he's trolling by laudablepuss 07/14/2003, 3:36pm PDT NEW
        Sometimes I forget that you still buy that shit lock stock and barrel. by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:18pm PDT NEW
            Man alive chile' these people dunn gimme the hinks by Sildenafil 07/14/2003, 7:33pm PDT NEW
                I guess if you're a Muslim idealist you need only plan for a third world economy NT by Lizard_King 07/14/2003, 7:55pm PDT NEW
                    Exactly by Senor Barborito 07/14/2003, 9:50pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Exactly by Forensic 07/15/2003, 6:49pm PDT NEW
                            Eeeeeeeeeeeeeenteresting NT by Senor Barborito 07/15/2003, 6:55pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Exactly by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 2:21am PDT NEW
                            Re: Exactly by foogla 07/16/2003, 5:00am PDT NEW
                            Because it is the ideal solution for a mature humanity. by Senor Barborito 07/16/2003, 5:21am PDT NEW
                                Wait, wait... by FoK 07/16/2003, 8:36am PDT NEW
                                    6:30AM after a full night mining in SWG, bear with my spelling/grammar here by Senor Barborito 07/16/2003, 9:49am PDT NEW
                                        Re: 6:30AM after a full night mining in SWG, bear with my spelling/grammar here by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:36pm PDT NEW
                                            Not quite by Senor Barborito 07/17/2003, 12:28am PDT NEW
                                            Re: 6:30AM after a full night mining in SWG, bear with my spelling/grammar here by foogla 07/17/2003, 2:23am PDT NEW
                                Re: Because it is the ideal solution for a mature humanity. by Lizard_King 07/16/2003, 9:29pm PDT NEW
 
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