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Re: New patch by FABIO 11/08/2004, 6:31pm PST
laudablepuss wrote:


The other complaint sounds interesting, but I don't understand. Won't the guys nuking your Strategic Point also just kill your Helper fag when he goes to build the listening post? Maybe you should explain this again real slow for me.


The instant you tell a worker to build a listening post it appears on the point at like 25% health and doesn't start increasing until the worker arrives (just like every other building you order bulit). You could tell a worker across the map to build a listening post being "decaptured" and it would appear there, at which point you just cancel it.

But OMFG SEER COUNCIL SO IMBALANCED BECAUSE I NEVER EVEN THOUGHT OF ATTACKING THEM HAND TO HAND ARRRRGGG WTF WTF FIX THIS AND NOTHING ELSE!

Honestly I have no clue what everyone's problem with the seer council was. Even when I was Eldar I hardly used them. They're a huge time and money sink, they're dedicated melee fighters that aren't that good at melee, their special abilities are nothing to write home about, and their morale gets broken far too easily (despite the fact that they're made up entirely of leaders). Their only good point is their special melee weapons (which require even more time and money to equip) ignore armor, which makes them good against...defenseless buildings and tanks that decide to sit there and not move. Wow. They still get slaughtered in hand to hand against mech vehicles, just like all other infantry.

Besides the retarded connection issues and bugs, what I would have liked to see was:

-Make orks not suck

Their whole strength in numbers motif never materializes. It doesn't matter if their squad sizes are double that of the other races' because ork population cap counts individual orks, not squads. Even then you end up with nearly the same max as other races; a full space marine army is 80 marines, a full ork army 90 orks.

Then there's the fact that their morale breaks like a fucking twig. What good is having a huge squad of 15 if they break after 3 casualties? The gay sort of workaround for this is to just build several minimal sized squads instead of a couple full sized. You get more total morale that way plus you get a higher heavy weapon to ork ratio. The tabletop game solves this problem by making ork squads harder to break the larger the squad is. I'm guessing Relic just...forgot about that point.


-Eldar turret exploit

There are a few "critical points" scattered around maps. If you capture over half of them a six minute countdown starts. If you still hold more than half of them when the timer reaches zero then you win. You also can't fortify critical points with listening posts and turrets as to avoid games from turning into simply who can get there first and build a million turrets and turtling their way to victory. The only problem is Eldar fuck this up by being able to build turrets pretty much anywhere (off of gateways). One map is just one critical point in the center. Every single game there is just getting an Eldar player to the middle and building nothing but turrets. You lose.

-Space marines late game

Are ungodly good. They can orbital drop almost half of their army anywhere on the map with hardly any restriction. Include your commander in that drop and you can instantly level half their base with an orbital bombardment. Or just save that orbital bombardment to singlehandedly turn the tide of the battle of your choice. There's not much you can do to save your base against a marine player who knows what he's doing.

They don't get the flashy giant demon unit that other sides get, but I'd take being able to level bases on a whim over a giant elephant any day.

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    Re: New patch by J&T 11/08/2004, 3:40pm PST NEW
        Re: New patch by laudablepuss 11/08/2004, 4:08pm PST NEW
            Re: New patch by FABIO 11/08/2004, 6:31pm PST NEW
                Re: New patch by J&T 11/08/2004, 9:39pm PST NEW
                    more problems by FABIO 11/13/2004, 1:08am PST NEW
                        Re: more problems by J&T 11/13/2004, 9:22pm PST NEW
    Newer patch! by laudablepuss 01/03/2005, 1:01pm PST NEW
        caps lock NT by gnpaaron 01/03/2005, 4:18pm PST NEW
        other wonderful fixes by FABIO 01/03/2005, 4:40pm PST NEW
        Newerer patch. by laudablepuss 10/10/2005, 1:57pm PDT NEW
            this is the only RTS I've ever played that actually gets worse with every patch by FABIO 10/10/2005, 3:03pm PDT NEW
                Im on the final mission in Winter Assault NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 10/10/2005, 8:29pm PDT NEW
                    =) NT by FABIO 10/11/2005, 1:30am PDT NEW
                    Just bought this today. by laudablepuss 10/11/2005, 4:19pm PDT NEW
                        I'm guessing this took place at EB? by FABIO 10/11/2005, 6:28pm PDT NEW
                            Re: I'm guessing this took place at EB? by laudablepuss 10/11/2005, 6:35pm PDT NEW
                            Re: I'm guessing this took place at EB? by Kabuke 10/11/2005, 7:11pm PDT NEW
                                P.S. There is no more EB by Kabuke 10/11/2005, 7:14pm PDT NEW
                                Re: I'm guessing this took place at EB? by I need clarification 10/11/2005, 8:58pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: I'm guessing this took place at EB? by FABIO 10/12/2005, 12:23am PDT NEW
                                        Re: I'm guessing this took place at EB? by corax 10/12/2005, 3:44am PDT NEW
                                        Best Buy and phone numbers by Fullofkittens 10/12/2005, 7:14am PDT NEW
                                            Re: Best Buy and phone numbers by FABIO 10/12/2005, 7:56am PDT NEW
                                            Re: Best Buy and phone numbers by TAFKAM 10/13/2005, 7:24am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Best Buy and phone numbers by Entropy Stew 10/13/2005, 3:50pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Best Buy and phone numbers by jeep 10/22/2005, 2:03pm PDT NEW
                                    Non-EB Retail adventure involving Racial Injustice! by Motherhead 10/12/2005, 2:40am PDT NEW
                                        THEY ARE RACISTING MINORITIES RIGHT OUT OF THE WORKFORCE NT by Creexul :( 10/12/2005, 6:25am PDT NEW
                                        You forgot the GRR LATINO RAAAGE staredown NT by Entropy Stew 10/12/2005, 8:34am PDT NEW
                                        Re: Non-EB Retail adventure involving Racial Injustice! by TAFKAM 10/13/2005, 7:29am PDT NEW
                                            Previous title was 'and then there's newegg...' by TAFKAM 10/13/2005, 7:30am PDT NEW
                                                Love newegg, use it all the time. NT by laudablepuss 10/13/2005, 12:27pm PDT NEW
                                                The problem with newegg by Entropy Stew 10/13/2005, 3:44pm PDT NEW
                                                    This is no longer true, btw. NT by Zseni 08/12/2007, 7:43pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: This is no longer true, btw. by Jerry Whorebach 08/12/2007, 9:42pm PDT NEW
                                                            You just try to hug his neck? I dunno, sounds DUMB NT by Grumah 08/13/2007, 7:14am PDT NEW
                                        The frontpage news box should also link to this post as well. NT by Creexul :( 10/13/2005, 12:24pm PDT NEW
                                    So on top of this they're gonna start selling Gamestop's in-house mag too? NT by Kabuke 10/12/2005, 3:25am PDT NEW
                                        I think anything with a higher profit margin than ga(y)mes. by I need clarification 10/12/2005, 10:17am PDT NEW
                                            They still undercut with used. by Kabuke 10/12/2005, 12:05pm PDT NEW
                                                That, and Valve. NT by casual observer 10/12/2005, 3:51pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: They still undercut with used. by jeep 10/22/2005, 2:15pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: They still undercut with used. by FABIO 10/22/2005, 9:46pm PDT NEW
                                                    I'd say this day has arrived, jeep. by Mr. 3000 and his blob 09/02/2015, 8:32pm PDT NEW
                                Re: I'm guessing this took place at EB? by Mr Gutsy 06/26/2009, 12:21pm PDT NEW
                                    Yes, I was always wierdly insulted when people supposed that Kabuke was me. NT by Zsenitan 06/26/2009, 3:22pm PDT NEW
                        You just can't get stupider than THQ. by laudablepuss 10/13/2005, 7:28pm PDT NEW
                            Gettin out me stabby bits NT by Weyoun Voidbringer 10/13/2005, 11:42pm PDT NEW
                            Damn you, pointy! by laudablepuss 10/13/2005, 11:44pm PDT NEW
                                Hmm, I guess I shoulda made a new thread. :( NT by laudablepuss 10/13/2005, 11:55pm PDT NEW
 
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