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Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 12:11am PDT
Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:

Explanation:

The original matrix was a paradise and perfectly able to be self-contained. It failed because no one in the system believed it.

The current "realistic" matrix had all the ugniness or reality which brought on uncontrollable variables. The end result of the variables is people getting loose from the system and starting gurrelia movements in reality (building Zion or one of its predecessors.)


I'm with you up to here.

Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:

To counter this, the Architect set up programs like the Oracle to bring about the creation of "the One" who the people of Zion would treat as their messiah and bring to their home base.

Now I'm uncertain about this next part, the fucker was talking FAST, but I assume the matrix monitors "the one's" mind to get the current location of Zion (or whatever the current human enclave's called.) Then they drill down to the city and wipe out the renegade human threat. This has happened 6 times already.


An interesting theory but I'm not sure if that's it. Things were definitely set up to get him into that room. The preview for the next movie seems to imply that the Oracle is still on the side of good though, so I don't know if she's an active part of the plot or a pawn. Nor do I know about the Neo as homing device theory.

Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:

Now "the one's" supposed to end up in the Architect's room as part of this cycle. The point of the 2 doors are if he goes through door 1, he can destroy the matrix, kill all the people currently plugged in, cripple the machines, and save Zion. If he goes back out door #2, he re-enters the matrix (and loses his chance to destroy it because the building with the door explodes.)

The machines make sure "the one" has some sort of emotional conflict that will make him go through door #2 and blow his chance. In this movie's case, it was saving Trinity from the agent.

So at the end of the movie, Neo's played into the machines' hands as planned. He blew his chance to destroy the mainframe and the machines know where Zion is and are 24 hours away from reaching it and destroying it. Unless our plucky protagonists can come up with some sort of variable the machines didn't plan for, this cycle will continue again and again for centuries to come.


See now, I thought that they wanted him to go through door number 1 as all of the Neo's before him had done but he had the complexity of a love interest (and CHOICE! as opposed to predetermination) which caused him to change things up at a terrible cost. The choice was try in vain to save the girl you love or save all of the humans in the world (but doom them to the slavery of the Matrix). He blew their machine like theories of cause and effect out of the water by excercising free will.

Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:

My guess is that Agent Smith will play a crucial role in fucking up said plans in the finale.


Absolutely he'll play a huge role but he may be their salvation. Agent Smith has become a virus. (Ironic given his virus speech in the first movie.) He is no longer with the program and is replicating out of control.

Also, there's that guy that Smith infiltrated to escape from the Matrix. The lone survivor on the other table at the end of the movie. Which plays into my other theory...

Is Zion actually another layer of the Matrix? Neo isn't fucking magic. He can't drop machines with a gesture in "the real world." And can Smith escape the Matrix and exist in the real world? Zion has been destroyed 5 times. It's a certainty that it will happen again in the architect's mind. Yet no one in Zion is aware of this. Because they are simply reprogrammed once the bug has been addressed and the cycle starts again.

Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:

Hope that helps!


It does -- thanks. Getting closer now.
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Zion: Loaded! by Fussbett 05/15/2003, 1:47am PDT NEW
    To see a preview of the last movie, stay till after the credits and... by mrs. johnson 05/15/2003, 2:01am PDT NEW
    Re: Zion: Loaded! by Forensic 05/15/2003, 3:23am PDT NEW
        Re: Zion: Loaded! by Jhoh Creexul 05/15/2003, 2:36pm PDT NEW
            Re: Zion: Loaded! (Major Spoilers included below spoiler buffer) by Rightbug 05/15/2003, 11:06pm PDT NEW
                Explanation (spoiler) by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/15/2003, 11:32pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Jhoh Creexul 05/15/2003, 11:43pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 12:11am PDT NEW
                    Corrections(?) (more spoilers!) by Entropy Stew 05/16/2003, 12:13am PDT NEW
                        WTF!?!? by Chairman Mao 05/16/2003, 12:15am PDT NEW
                            Because I saw the 2:45 showing with my boss/partner/friend-type-person NT by Entropy Stew 05/16/2003, 12:17am PDT NEW
                                I'm retarded. nevermind. NT by Chairman Mao 05/16/2003, 12:21am PDT NEW
                            Re: WTF!?!? by laudablepuss 05/16/2003, 12:24pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Corrections(?) (more spoilers!) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 12:34am PDT NEW
                            Ooh, nasty. NT by Senor Barborito 05/17/2003, 5:40pm PDT NEW
                        Also by Entropy Stew 05/16/2003, 1:18am PDT NEW
                            A plea for balls by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/16/2003, 2:33pm PDT NEW
                                Re: A plea for balls by ydrt 05/17/2003, 2:26am PDT NEW
                                    Re: A plea for balls by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/17/2003, 10:32am PDT NEW
                                        Re: A plea for balls by Entropy Stew 05/17/2003, 2:17pm PDT NEW
                            The best review I've read so far by I need clarification 05/17/2003, 8:41pm PDT NEW
                    More Questions (and more spoilers) by Semi-Drunk-Ranting Cyrris 05/16/2003, 12:25am PDT NEW
                        Some answers (and more spoilers) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 1:21am PDT NEW
                        Things the other dude didn't answer. by Fussbett 05/16/2003, 1:38am PDT NEW
                            Re: Things the other dude didn't answer. by that guy 05/17/2003, 12:42pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Things the other dude didn't answer. by I need clarification 05/17/2003, 8:44pm PDT NEW
                                I'm the BIGGEST MATRIX FANBOY IN THE WORLD (of Zion) by Fussbett 05/17/2003, 9:57pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: I'm the BIGGEST MATRIX FANBOY IN THE WORLD (of Zion) by Semi-Drunk-Ranting Cyrris 05/18/2003, 2:55am PDT NEW
                                        Re: I'm the BIGGEST MATRIX FANBOY IN THE WORLD (of Zion) by Zebco Fuckface 05/18/2003, 3:49pm PDT NEW
                        Re: More Questions (and more spoilers)-AND MORE SPOILERS by Lizard_King 05/16/2003, 1:41am PDT NEW
                            Re: More Questions (and more spoilers)-AND MORE SPOILERS by Lizard_King 05/16/2003, 1:43am PDT NEW
                            Holy shit by I need clarification 05/17/2003, 8:49pm PDT NEW
                                I didn't think the Oracle was that much worse than average. NT by Lizard_King 05/17/2003, 10:01pm PDT NEW
                                I gambled on that scene being the perfect time for a bathroom break. I was right by FABIO 06/08/2003, 11:40pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Fussbett 05/16/2003, 1:48am PDT NEW
                        I'm glad to see the film turned out to be enjoyable after all NT by Joel Silver 05/16/2003, 2:53am PDT NEW
                        Re: Explanation (spoiler) by laudablepuss 05/16/2003, 10:31am PDT NEW
                            Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Entropy Stew 05/17/2003, 2:21pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 11:01am PDT NEW
                            Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Forensic 05/16/2003, 11:24am PDT NEW
                                Wait, wait... by Forensic 05/16/2003, 11:38am PDT NEW
                                    Tank was killed in the first one, wasn't he? What's this site doing still up? NT by mrs. johnson 05/18/2003, 9:23pm PDT NEW
                                        I think it was Dozer that got whacked, not Tank...no? NT by Lizard_King 05/18/2003, 9:27pm PDT NEW
                                            either way the remaining darkie was fired for stealing NT by ydrt 05/18/2003, 11:44pm PDT NEW
                                                Stealing what? NT by mrs. johnson 05/18/2003, 11:49pm PDT NEW
                                                    some props from the set; i think he also wanted more $$$ NT by ydrt 05/19/2003, 12:31am PDT NEW
                                                        I'm all in favor of boycotting this and every Matrix movie for any reason NT by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 12:36am PDT NEW
                                                            You didn't even like the first one? NT by mrs. johnson 05/19/2003, 1:32am PDT NEW
                                                                No. Not even a little bit. Okay, maybe a little bit. by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 2:15am PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: No. Not even a little bit. Okay, maybe a little bit. by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 4:18am PDT NEW
                                                                        What? by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 5:34am PDT NEW
                                                                            I guess that makes sense. by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 10:14am PDT NEW
                                                                                What are those? by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 11:59am PDT NEW
                                                                                    Re: What are those? by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 12:07pm PDT NEW
                                                                            Re: What? by Rightbug 05/19/2003, 5:39pm PDT NEW
                                                                                Agreed by Senor Barborito 05/19/2003, 5:45pm PDT NEW
                                                                                That was a worthless post by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 5:54pm PDT NEW
                                                                                    Re: That was a worthless post by Rightbug 05/19/2003, 6:34pm PDT NEW
                                                                                        on Predator by Fullofkittens 05/19/2003, 7:29pm PDT NEW
                                                                                            Re: on Predator by Lufteufel 05/31/2003, 12:24am PDT NEW
                                                                                    This guy was kind of mean NT by Wrongbug 06/04/2017, 3:50pm PDT NEW
                                                                                        AND a Jew NT by Caltrops' Alt-Right Invasion 06/04/2017, 3:51pm PDT NEW
                                        Thank god it's still up by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 2:03am PDT NEW
                    I explain the Architect by mrs. johnson 05/16/2003, 12:42pm PDT NEW
                        Re: I explain the Architect by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 4:22pm PDT NEW
                            Re: I explain the Architect by laudablepuss 05/16/2003, 4:30pm PDT NEW
                                Re: I explain the Architect by Lizard_King 05/16/2003, 5:11pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: I explain the Architect by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/17/2003, 10:29am PDT NEW
                        Re: I explain the Architect by Bitter 05/17/2003, 8:00pm PDT NEW
                            Re: I explain the Architect by Bob Violence 05/17/2003, 8:28pm PDT NEW
                                Re: I explain the Architect by I need clarification 05/17/2003, 8:54pm PDT NEW
                                Re: I explain the Architect by Lizard_King 05/18/2003, 4:54pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: I explain the Architect by laudablepuss 05/19/2003, 1:00pm PDT NEW
                                        Cornel West by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 1:17pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Explanation (spoiler) by sfg 06/14/2003, 6:16pm PDT NEW
    Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/17/2003, 10:21am PDT NEW
        Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Rightbug 05/17/2003, 3:28pm PDT NEW
            Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Jhoh Creexul 05/17/2003, 5:18pm PDT NEW
            Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by MM 05/17/2003, 7:23pm PDT NEW
                Caltrops reviews The Matrix article anyone? NT by Entropy Stew 05/17/2003, 8:06pm PDT NEW
                    actually by ydrt 05/17/2003, 9:42pm PDT NEW
            Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Bob Violence 05/17/2003, 8:29pm PDT NEW
                Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Zebco Fuckface 05/18/2003, 2:32am PDT NEW
                Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Rightbug 05/19/2003, 4:30pm PDT NEW
            alternate door #2 theory. by FABIO 06/13/2003, 12:18am PDT NEW
        Much Gayness by Bitter 05/17/2003, 8:51pm PDT NEW
            Slightly more gayness by Bob Violence 05/18/2003, 12:26am PDT NEW
                Re: Slightly more gayness by Jhoh Creexul 05/18/2003, 12:51am PDT NEW
                    PERSEPHONE = MOTHER OF MATRIX (spoiler) (nt) NT by Binroi l'heretique 05/18/2003, 8:44pm PDT NEW
                        Speech of Architect (spoilerama) by Binroi l'heretique 05/18/2003, 9:04pm PDT NEW
                            stating the obvious for those who need it by ydrt 05/18/2003, 9:11pm PDT NEW
                                Re: stating the obvious for those who need it by Fullofkittens 05/18/2003, 10:23pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: stating the obvious for those who need it by Jhoh Creexul 05/18/2003, 10:28pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Speech of Architect (spoilerama) MINUS SPELLING/GRAMMAR ERRORS by Some Grammar Fag 05/18/2003, 9:19pm PDT NEW
                                Jesus God you're a faggot NT by Hans Gruber 05/19/2003, 8:35pm PDT NEW
            Re: Much Gayness by junior allen 05/27/2003, 12:44pm PDT NEW
        Only bit I'm having trouble with now by Bunyip 05/19/2003, 4:10pm PDT NEW
            holy shit by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 4:15pm PDT NEW
                Because your type has trouble looking into the mirror, dumbass. by The Obvious Response 05/19/2003, 4:22pm PDT NEW
                    Looks in the mirror. Cries. Realizes crying is effeminate. Cries some more.NT by Lizard_King 05/27/2003, 3:28am PDT NEW
            uh oh by FABIO 06/09/2003, 12:36am PDT NEW
    Revolutions dialog revealed. by Fussbett 05/23/2003, 9:41am PDT NEW
        Re: Revolutions dialog revealed. by foogla 05/23/2003, 11:38am PDT NEW
            Re: Revolutions dialog revealed. by Choson 05/23/2003, 1:32pm PDT NEW
        Re: Revolutions dialog revealed. by Bitter 05/23/2003, 8:17pm PDT NEW
            I'm handing out props. by Fussbett 05/23/2003, 9:40pm PDT NEW
                Re: I'm handing out props. by Chairman Mao 05/23/2003, 9:47pm PDT NEW
                    Re: I'm handing out props. by Lufteufel 05/23/2003, 10:10pm PDT NEW
                    Re: I'm handing out props. by Jhoh Creexul 05/27/2003, 12:07pm PDT NEW
                        Re: I'm handing out props. by sfg 06/14/2003, 6:20pm PDT NEW
                            YOU CUNT! YOU'RE A CUNT! NT by Larry David 06/14/2003, 8:35pm PDT NEW
        Re: Revolutions dialog revealed. by Jhoh Creexul 05/27/2003, 7:28am PDT NEW
    Anyone who said anything nice about this is movie is fired NT by fabio 06/04/2017, 7:57pm PDT NEW
 
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