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Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:
Explanation:
The original matrix was a paradise and perfectly able to be self-contained. It failed because no one in the system believed it.
The current "realistic" matrix had all the ugniness or reality which brought on uncontrollable variables. The end result of the variables is people getting loose from the system and starting gurrelia movements in reality (building Zion or one of its predecessors.)
I'm with you up to here.
Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:
To counter this, the Architect set up programs like the Oracle to bring about the creation of "the One" who the people of Zion would treat as their messiah and bring to their home base.
Now I'm uncertain about this next part, the fucker was talking FAST, but I assume the matrix monitors "the one's" mind to get the current location of Zion (or whatever the current human enclave's called.) Then they drill down to the city and wipe out the renegade human threat. This has happened 6 times already.
An interesting theory but I'm not sure if that's it. Things were definitely set up to get him into that room. The preview for the next movie seems to imply that the Oracle is still on the side of good though, so I don't know if she's an active part of the plot or a pawn. Nor do I know about the Neo as homing device theory.
Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:
Now "the one's" supposed to end up in the Architect's room as part of this cycle. The point of the 2 doors are if he goes through door 1, he can destroy the matrix, kill all the people currently plugged in, cripple the machines, and save Zion. If he goes back out door #2, he re-enters the matrix (and loses his chance to destroy it because the building with the door explodes.)
The machines make sure "the one" has some sort of emotional conflict that will make him go through door #2 and blow his chance. In this movie's case, it was saving Trinity from the agent.
So at the end of the movie, Neo's played into the machines' hands as planned. He blew his chance to destroy the mainframe and the machines know where Zion is and are 24 hours away from reaching it and destroying it. Unless our plucky protagonists can come up with some sort of variable the machines didn't plan for, this cycle will continue again and again for centuries to come.
See now, I thought that they wanted him to go through door number 1 as all of the Neo's before him had done but he had the complexity of a love interest (and CHOICE! as opposed to predetermination) which caused him to change things up at a terrible cost. The choice was try in vain to save the girl you love or save all of the humans in the world (but doom them to the slavery of the Matrix). He blew their machine like theories of cause and effect out of the water by excercising free will.
Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:
My guess is that Agent Smith will play a crucial role in fucking up said plans in the finale.
Absolutely he'll play a huge role but he may be their salvation. Agent Smith has become a virus. (Ironic given his virus speech in the first movie.) He is no longer with the program and is replicating out of control.
Also, there's that guy that Smith infiltrated to escape from the Matrix. The lone survivor on the other table at the end of the movie. Which plays into my other theory...
Is Zion actually another layer of the Matrix? Neo isn't fucking magic. He can't drop machines with a gesture in "the real world." And can Smith escape the Matrix and exist in the real world? Zion has been destroyed 5 times. It's a certainty that it will happen again in the architect's mind. Yet no one in Zion is aware of this. Because they are simply reprogrammed once the bug has been addressed and the cycle starts again.
Mischief Shai-hulud wrote:
Hope that helps!
It does -- thanks. Getting closer now. |
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Zion: Loaded! by Fussbett 05/15/2003, 1:47am PDT
To see a preview of the last movie, stay till after the credits and... by mrs. johnson 05/15/2003, 2:01am PDT
Re: Zion: Loaded! by Forensic 05/15/2003, 3:23am PDT
Re: Zion: Loaded! by Jhoh Creexul 05/15/2003, 2:36pm PDT
Re: Zion: Loaded! (Major Spoilers included below spoiler buffer) by Rightbug 05/15/2003, 11:06pm PDT
Explanation (spoiler) by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/15/2003, 11:32pm PDT
Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Jhoh Creexul 05/15/2003, 11:43pm PDT
Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 12:11am PDT
Corrections(?) (more spoilers!) by Entropy Stew 05/16/2003, 12:13am PDT
WTF!?!? by Chairman Mao 05/16/2003, 12:15am PDT
Because I saw the 2:45 showing with my boss/partner/friend-type-person NT by Entropy Stew 05/16/2003, 12:17am PDT
I'm retarded. nevermind. NT by Chairman Mao 05/16/2003, 12:21am PDT
Re: WTF!?!? by laudablepuss 05/16/2003, 12:24pm PDT
Re: Corrections(?) (more spoilers!) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 12:34am PDT
Ooh, nasty. NT by Senor Barborito 05/17/2003, 5:40pm PDT
Also by Entropy Stew 05/16/2003, 1:18am PDT
A plea for balls by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/16/2003, 2:33pm PDT
Re: A plea for balls by ydrt 05/17/2003, 2:26am PDT
Re: A plea for balls by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/17/2003, 10:32am PDT
Re: A plea for balls by Entropy Stew 05/17/2003, 2:17pm PDT
The best review I've read so far by I need clarification 05/17/2003, 8:41pm PDT
More Questions (and more spoilers) by Semi-Drunk-Ranting Cyrris 05/16/2003, 12:25am PDT
Some answers (and more spoilers) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 1:21am PDT
Things the other dude didn't answer. by Fussbett 05/16/2003, 1:38am PDT
Re: Things the other dude didn't answer. by that guy 05/17/2003, 12:42pm PDT
Re: Things the other dude didn't answer. by I need clarification 05/17/2003, 8:44pm PDT
I'm the BIGGEST MATRIX FANBOY IN THE WORLD (of Zion) by Fussbett 05/17/2003, 9:57pm PDT
Re: I'm the BIGGEST MATRIX FANBOY IN THE WORLD (of Zion) by Semi-Drunk-Ranting Cyrris 05/18/2003, 2:55am PDT
Re: I'm the BIGGEST MATRIX FANBOY IN THE WORLD (of Zion) by Zebco Fuckface 05/18/2003, 3:49pm PDT
Re: More Questions (and more spoilers)-AND MORE SPOILERS by Lizard_King 05/16/2003, 1:41am PDT
Re: More Questions (and more spoilers)-AND MORE SPOILERS by Lizard_King 05/16/2003, 1:43am PDT
Holy shit by I need clarification 05/17/2003, 8:49pm PDT
I didn't think the Oracle was that much worse than average. NT by Lizard_King 05/17/2003, 10:01pm PDT
I gambled on that scene being the perfect time for a bathroom break. I was right by FABIO 06/08/2003, 11:40pm PDT
Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Fussbett 05/16/2003, 1:48am PDT
I'm glad to see the film turned out to be enjoyable after all NT by Joel Silver 05/16/2003, 2:53am PDT
Re: Explanation (spoiler) by laudablepuss 05/16/2003, 10:31am PDT
Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Entropy Stew 05/17/2003, 2:21pm PDT
Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 11:01am PDT
Re: Explanation (spoiler) by Forensic 05/16/2003, 11:24am PDT
Wait, wait... by Forensic 05/16/2003, 11:38am PDT
Tank was killed in the first one, wasn't he? What's this site doing still up? NT by mrs. johnson 05/18/2003, 9:23pm PDT
I think it was Dozer that got whacked, not Tank...no? NT by Lizard_King 05/18/2003, 9:27pm PDT
either way the remaining darkie was fired for stealing NT by ydrt 05/18/2003, 11:44pm PDT
Stealing what? NT by mrs. johnson 05/18/2003, 11:49pm PDT
some props from the set; i think he also wanted more $$$ NT by ydrt 05/19/2003, 12:31am PDT
I'm all in favor of boycotting this and every Matrix movie for any reason NT by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 12:36am PDT
You didn't even like the first one? NT by mrs. johnson 05/19/2003, 1:32am PDT
No. Not even a little bit. Okay, maybe a little bit. by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 2:15am PDT
Re: No. Not even a little bit. Okay, maybe a little bit. by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 4:18am PDT
What? by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 5:34am PDT
I guess that makes sense. by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 10:14am PDT
What are those? by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 11:59am PDT
Re: What are those? by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 12:07pm PDT
Re: What? by Rightbug 05/19/2003, 5:39pm PDT
Agreed by Senor Barborito 05/19/2003, 5:45pm PDT
That was a worthless post by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 5:54pm PDT
Re: That was a worthless post by Rightbug 05/19/2003, 6:34pm PDT
on Predator by Fullofkittens 05/19/2003, 7:29pm PDT
Re: on Predator by Lufteufel 05/31/2003, 12:24am PDT
This guy was kind of mean NT by Wrongbug 06/04/2017, 3:50pm PDT
AND a Jew NT by Caltrops' Alt-Right Invasion 06/04/2017, 3:51pm PDT
Thank god it's still up by I need clarification 05/19/2003, 2:03am PDT
I explain the Architect by mrs. johnson 05/16/2003, 12:42pm PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by Rightbug 05/16/2003, 4:22pm PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by laudablepuss 05/16/2003, 4:30pm PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by Lizard_King 05/16/2003, 5:11pm PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/17/2003, 10:29am PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by Bitter 05/17/2003, 8:00pm PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by Bob Violence 05/17/2003, 8:28pm PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by I need clarification 05/17/2003, 8:54pm PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by Lizard_King 05/18/2003, 4:54pm PDT
Re: I explain the Architect by laudablepuss 05/19/2003, 1:00pm PDT
Cornel West by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 1:17pm PDT
Re: Explanation (spoiler) by sfg 06/14/2003, 6:16pm PDT
Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Mischief Shai-hulud 05/17/2003, 10:21am PDT
Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Rightbug 05/17/2003, 3:28pm PDT
Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Jhoh Creexul 05/17/2003, 5:18pm PDT
Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by MM 05/17/2003, 7:23pm PDT
Caltrops reviews The Matrix article anyone? NT by Entropy Stew 05/17/2003, 8:06pm PDT
actually by ydrt 05/17/2003, 9:42pm PDT
Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Bob Violence 05/17/2003, 8:29pm PDT
Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Zebco Fuckface 05/18/2003, 2:32am PDT
Re: Okay, NOW I got it (Get yer spoilerz on) by Rightbug 05/19/2003, 4:30pm PDT
alternate door #2 theory. by FABIO 06/13/2003, 12:18am PDT
Much Gayness by Bitter 05/17/2003, 8:51pm PDT
Slightly more gayness by Bob Violence 05/18/2003, 12:26am PDT
Re: Slightly more gayness by Jhoh Creexul 05/18/2003, 12:51am PDT
PERSEPHONE = MOTHER OF MATRIX (spoiler) (nt) NT by Binroi l'heretique 05/18/2003, 8:44pm PDT
Speech of Architect (spoilerama) by Binroi l'heretique 05/18/2003, 9:04pm PDT
stating the obvious for those who need it by ydrt 05/18/2003, 9:11pm PDT
Re: stating the obvious for those who need it by Fullofkittens 05/18/2003, 10:23pm PDT
Re: stating the obvious for those who need it by Jhoh Creexul 05/18/2003, 10:28pm PDT
Re: Speech of Architect (spoilerama) MINUS SPELLING/GRAMMAR ERRORS by Some Grammar Fag 05/18/2003, 9:19pm PDT
Jesus God you're a faggot NT by Hans Gruber 05/19/2003, 8:35pm PDT
Re: Much Gayness by junior allen 05/27/2003, 12:44pm PDT
Only bit I'm having trouble with now by Bunyip 05/19/2003, 4:10pm PDT
holy shit by Lizard_King 05/19/2003, 4:15pm PDT
Because your type has trouble looking into the mirror, dumbass. by The Obvious Response 05/19/2003, 4:22pm PDT
Looks in the mirror. Cries. Realizes crying is effeminate. Cries some more.NT by Lizard_King 05/27/2003, 3:28am PDT
uh oh by FABIO 06/09/2003, 12:36am PDT
Revolutions dialog revealed. by Fussbett 05/23/2003, 9:41am PDT
Re: Revolutions dialog revealed. by foogla 05/23/2003, 11:38am PDT
Re: Revolutions dialog revealed. by Choson 05/23/2003, 1:32pm PDT
Re: Revolutions dialog revealed. by Bitter 05/23/2003, 8:17pm PDT
I'm handing out props. by Fussbett 05/23/2003, 9:40pm PDT
Re: I'm handing out props. by Chairman Mao 05/23/2003, 9:47pm PDT
Re: I'm handing out props. by Lufteufel 05/23/2003, 10:10pm PDT
Re: I'm handing out props. by Jhoh Creexul 05/27/2003, 12:07pm PDT
Re: I'm handing out props. by sfg 06/14/2003, 6:20pm PDT
YOU CUNT! YOU'RE A CUNT! NT by Larry David 06/14/2003, 8:35pm PDT
Re: Revolutions dialog revealed. by Jhoh Creexul 05/27/2003, 7:28am PDT
Anyone who said anything nice about this is movie is fired NT by fabio 06/04/2017, 7:57pm PDT
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