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The universe's internal logic re: Holtzmann is contrived but at least consistent by WITTGENSTEIN 02/16/2013, 1:12pm PST
"The forms must be obeyed", the first line of the Great Convention, is another of those famous Dune bits with meaning beyond the literal text. Simply striking a house shield with a lasgun is too blatant and simple, also background fallout radiation would be too difficult to expunge (and I think I read somewhere that house shields are too powerful and complex for a simple lasgun reaction to trigger the sub-atomic fusion). Whereas when Paul famously blew up the shield wall with nuclear weapons he was able to say that he hadn't violated the great convention, since he hadn't used atomics in a military sense, more for a demolitions purpose. Same thing when in book two they dropped a "stoneburner" on him. It technically wasn't a nuclear weapon, though it had the same force and used the same reactions.


The main thing still plaguing me after re-reading this three times is......


...am I really supposed to believe that Piter DeVries was the first person to EVER try and break Suk School conditioning by using a hostage as leverage? That's the lynchpin of the genius plan? A tactic so ridiculously simple that nobody in 10000 years ever tried it?

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So I reread Dune. by Arbit 06/05/2012, 6:31pm PDT NEW
    Don't continue. Stop right there. Trust me. NT by Mischief Maker 06/05/2012, 7:11pm PDT NEW
    The second and third books are alright. Stop reading after that. by Entropy Stew 06/05/2012, 7:13pm PDT NEW
        I can buy that evolutionary pressure has made a people more badass by Arbit 06/06/2012, 4:08pm PDT NEW
            Well, the Sardaukar were the only opposition the Fremen actually complimented by Entropy Stew 06/08/2012, 3:48am PDT NEW
                I remember reading when Jessica cut the Shadout Mapes she only bled for a second by WITTGENSTEIN 02/16/2013, 1:05pm PST NEW
        beefswelling NT by An adult 06/07/2012, 6:23pm PDT NEW
    It's not perfect by fabio 06/05/2012, 8:02pm PDT NEW
        I don't think the complicated explaining away of firearms was an allegory. by motherfuckerfoodeater 06/06/2012, 10:28pm PDT NEW
    I could never stand the writing. by skip 06/05/2012, 8:07pm PDT NEW
    The universe's internal logic re: Holtzmann is contrived but at least consistent by WITTGENSTEIN 02/16/2013, 1:12pm PST NEW
        Not just any hostage, a Bene Gesserit bride with superhuman sexual prowess. NT by MM 02/16/2013, 10:28pm PST NEW
            Also, DeVries fucked up. by MM 02/16/2013, 11:02pm PST NEW
                That's like a Rube Goldberg revenge scheme though. by WITTGENSTEIN 02/17/2013, 10:26am PST NEW
                    Leto already knew the attack was coming, complete with Sardukar, he explained it by Paul 02/17/2013, 10:58am PST NEW
                        They expected a raiding force, etc. But this is a faggot argument for nerds. NT by WITTGENSTEIN 02/17/2013, 11:04am PST NEW
                            Look, here's Dune by Mischief Maker 02/17/2013, 11:45pm PST NEW
                                Sounds like he lifted the race consciousness thing from Last and First Men by Vested Id 02/18/2013, 12:26am PST NEW
                                Re: Look, here's Dune by fabio 02/18/2013, 12:41am PST NEW
                                    Re: Look, here's Dune by Mischief Maker 02/18/2013, 7:36am PST NEW
                                        I just wished they had developed the Thurfir and Feyd plots to completion by fabio 02/18/2013, 7:54am PST NEW
                                            Agreed. NT by Mischief Maker 02/18/2013, 7:56am PST NEW
                                                Whoops. by Mischief Maker 02/18/2013, 7:57am PST NEW
                                            Just be glad Alexandro Jodorowsky never got his 14 hout adaptation made. by Mischief Maker 06/14/2013, 9:48am PDT NEW
                                                hour NT by Mischief Maker 06/14/2013, 9:48am PDT NEW
            I forgot about that, BUT.... by WITTGENSTEIN 02/17/2013, 10:27am PST NEW
                "His wife was bene gesserit, the signs are all over him." NT by Jessica 02/17/2013, 10:56am PST NEW
                    "I really love choking on cock and spending inordinate amounts of cash on a J.D" NT by MischiefMaker 02/17/2013, 11:05am PST NEW
        Re: The universe's internal logic re: Holtzmann is contrived but at least by fabio 02/17/2013, 5:09pm PST NEW
            What further retaliation could there have been? He didn't care at that point. by WITTGENSTEIN 02/17/2013, 5:57pm PST NEW
 
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