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Balance of Power
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by just curious 04/08/2016, 6:33pm PDT |
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Here's them asking Bernie, were he a prosecutor, which laws he would point to being broken in order to charge executives with.
Daily News: Okay. Staying with Wall Street, you've pointed out, that "not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy." Why was that? Why did that happen? Why was there no prosecution?
Sanders: I would suspect that the answer that some would give you is that while what they did was horrific, and greedy and had a huge impact on our economy, that some suggest that...that those activities were not illegal. I disagree. And I think an aggressive attorney general would have found illegal activity.
Daily News: So do you think that President Obama's Justice Department essentially was either in the tank or not as...
Sanders: No, I wouldn’t say they were in the tank. I'm saying, a Sanders administration would have a much more aggressive attorney general looking at all of the legal implications. All I can tell you is that if you have Goldman Sachs paying a settlement fee of $5 billion, other banks paying a larger fee, I think most Americans think, "Well, why do they pay $5 billion?" Not because they're heck of a nice guys who want to pay $5 billion. Something was wrong there. And if something was wrong, I think they were illegal activities.
Daily News: Okay. But do you have a sense that there is a particular statute or statutes that a prosecutor could have or should have invoked to bring indictments?
Sanders: I suspect that there are. Yes.
Daily News: You believe that? But do you know?
Sanders: I believe that that is the case. Do I have them in front of me, now, legal statutes? No, I don't. But if I would...yeah, that's what I believe, yes. When a company pays a $5 billion fine for doing something that's illegal, yeah, I think we can bring charges against the executives.
Daily News: I'm only pressing because you've made it such a central part of your campaign. And I wanted to know what the mechanism would be to accomplish it.
Sanders: Let me be very clear about this. Alright? Let me repeat what I have said. Maybe you've got a quote there. I do believe that, to a significant degree, the business model of Wall Street is fraud.
And you asked me, you started this discussion off appropriately enough about when I talk about morality. When I talk about it, that's what I think. I think when you have the most powerful financial institutions in this country, whose assets are equivalent to 58% of the GDP of this country, who day after day engage in fraudulent activity, that sets a tone.
That sets a tone for some 10-year-old kid in this country who says, "Look, these people are getting away from it. They're lying. They're cheating. Why can't I do that?"
Daily News: What kind of fraudulent activity are you referring to when you say that?
Sanders: What kind of fraudulent activity? Fraudulent activity that brought this country into the worst economic decline in its history by selling packages of fraudulent, fraudulent, worthless subprime mortgages. How's that for a start?
Selling products to people who you knew could not repay them. Lying to people without allowing them to know that in a year, their interest rates would be off the charts. They would not repay that. Bundling these things. Putting them into packages with good mortgages. That's fraudulent activity.
Daily News: All right. You say also that the big financial institutions and the wealthy have rigged the game against regular Americans. And you've also criticized Hillary Clinton for saying, "We just need to impose a few more fees and regulations on the finance industry."
Sanders: Yep.
I think 99.9% of people would be guilty of not being able to cite a specific financial statute on the spot, but this man is running for president and as was pointed out is basing his entire campaign platform on this central issue. Laws? To prosecute crimes? Bernie has FEELINGS and SUSPICIONS and that should be enough!
But really I think the meat of the whole thing is at the end. Criticizing Hillary for saying banks need more regulation. THE HORROR! Suggesting a complex solution to improve a complex system is not as satisfying as BERNIE SMASH BANKS. The court of a-FEELS has spoken!
Really that entire interview Sanders comes off badly. Embarrassingly so. Emotional and ill informed do not a good politician make. At least Jimmy Carter knew his shit.
Daily News: Do you support the Palestinian leadership's attempt to use the International Criminal Court to litigate some of these issues to establish that, in their view, Israel had committed essentially war crimes?
Sanders: No.
Daily News: Why not?
Sanders: Why not?
Daily News: Why not, why it...
Sanders: Look, why don't I support a million things in the world? I'm just telling you that I happen to believe...anybody help me out here, because I don't remember the figures, but my recollection is over 10,000 innocent people were killed in Gaza. Does that sound right?
"Do you support a first step in a practical solution?"
"Why don't I 'support' 'things'? Listen, motherfucker. I'm FEELING and BELIEVING over here. Here's some more outrage to chew on while I dodge another practical solution."
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Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 5:37pm PDT 
Oh god a little sprite bernie appeared NT by Worm 04/05/2016, 6:21pm PDT 
AP called it for Bernie! Now the question is by how much? NT by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 7:04pm PDT 
13 point lead? Not bad! by Mischief Maker 04/06/2016, 5:13am PDT 
Not that you'll hear about it in the mainstream press. NT by Quest for the Dean Scream 04/07/2016, 5:53pm PDT 
Holy fuck. by Mischief Maker 04/07/2016, 7:00pm PDT 
Interesting by Mysterio 04/07/2016, 10:59pm PDT 
Now he's getting a fist-bump from the pope?! What a rollercoaster of a campaign! by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 9:47am PDT 
Should I be proud of my Republican neighbors? by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 7:51pm PDT 
Whaaaaaaat the hell NT by Vested Id 04/06/2016, 3:42am PDT 
Why do you love Sanders? by just curious 04/08/2016, 9:58am PDT 
and I'm asking because you normally seem well informed on this stuff by just curious 04/08/2016, 10:00am PDT 
Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 11:29am PDT 
Refer to my long posts below for more details, but by just curious 04/08/2016, 6:46pm PDT 
Why do you love Kool-Aid? NT by Even more curious 04/08/2016, 2:51pm PDT 
It washes away the bad taste left by this video: by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 3:51pm PDT 
Hey dumbass I was insulting Curious not you NT by Wall Street commited no crimes 04/08/2016, 5:42pm PDT 
a simplistic, emotional insult. Thanks. Have you seen the Daily News interview? by just curious 04/08/2016, 6:33pm PDT 
Re: Why do you love Sanders? by The Happiness Engine 04/08/2016, 3:57pm PDT 
Not being able to prove the execs knowingly committed fraud was the problem by (reply to MM too) 04/08/2016, 5:41pm PDT 
Sanders' plan to rein in banks amounts to praying for a miracle by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 11:13am PDT 
That's another problem with Bernie by just curious 04/09/2016, 6:48pm PDT 
Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Vested Id 04/08/2016, 5:07pm PDT 
Re: Why do you love Sanders? by (reply to MM too) 04/08/2016, 6:11pm PDT 
Leftist coalitions have been a wreck since the fall of unions by skip 04/09/2016, 11:55am PDT 
The purity test obsession and niche assholes is what's killing progressives by just curious 04/09/2016, 1:11pm PDT 
Psst! Scroll down! NT by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:15pm PDT 
Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Vested Id 04/11/2016, 2:31am PDT 
Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 8:41pm PDT 
A little more on Sanders' legislative record before bed by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 8:49pm PDT 
Rolling Stone? NT by really? 04/09/2016, 10:17am PDT 
You would prefer something by the New York Times? by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:45pm PDT 
Going DURR on the source is really weak. by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 12:51pm PDT 
Bernie himself is the best source by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:06pm PDT 
How 'bout this? by Mischief Maker 04/17/2016, 7:42pm PDT 
So he set a record for amendments, and not a single one made it through? by just curious 04/09/2016, 10:53am PDT 
Re: So he set a record for amendments, and not a single one made it through? by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:51pm PDT 
Also: by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:57pm PDT 
(This is the guy who inspired the character of Gordon Gekko) NT by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:00pm PDT 
I'm trying to take you seriously here by just curious 04/09/2016, 1:15pm PDT 
No you're not. by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:33pm PDT 
You're getting your ass kicked. NT by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 3:16pm PDT 
^ the substance of a Sanders supporter NT by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:07pm PDT 
Guys, this person is just curious and of high substance. NT by Kenny Mayne 04/10/2016, 10:24pm PDT 
I just fucking hate women. Is that an acceptable reason? NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 4:10pm PDT 
Only if your hate is honest by Issue an emergency CALTROPS CARES! 04/09/2016, 4:44pm PDT 
Re: Only if your hate is honest by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 5:07pm PDT 
This is why I'm not bothered by Sanders's silly shoot-for-the moon goals. by Fullofkittens 04/09/2016, 6:54pm PDT 
That style of negotiation only works if the other side is by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:51pm PDT 
also only if you're willing to scale down the initial offer by just curious 04/09/2016, 8:00pm PDT 
I was alluding to huge funding, weapon deals by Not Congressional bills 04/09/2016, 8:57pm PDT 
Down with old white men patriarchy! In with Bernie! NT by an actual Binro opinion 04/09/2016, 6:33pm PDT 
speaking of independent Senators by just curious 04/09/2016, 6:29pm PDT 
Why is people switching party affiliation such a big issue? by Worm 04/09/2016, 7:53pm PDT 
In principle? It's not by just curious 04/09/2016, 8:01pm PDT 
But that's a different old jewish man, right? NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:15pm PDT 
You're killing laudablepuss, Larry! NT by Walter Sobchak 04/09/2016, 8:52pm PDT 
okay, now you're just making stuff up by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:37pm PDT 
holy shit, you thought you were telling jokes this whole time?! NT by speaking frankily 04/09/2016, 7:53pm PDT 
He's less overexcited than you about all of this. NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:00pm PDT 
another "I dont care about another yet topic" Worm post ding grats NT by +1 04/09/2016, 8:20pm PDT 
I care about the topic, jc is far more excitable as anti-bernie than mm is pro by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:41pm PDT 
Let's try this from a different angle. by Mischief Maker 04/10/2016, 5:45am PDT 
Media loves drama. They're out to "get" anyone. NT by Do you think they love Clinton? 04/10/2016, 6:21pm PDT 
Re: Media loves drama. They're out to "get" anyone. by Mischief Maker 04/15/2016, 6:56am PDT 
I wonder if there's a better source for media coverage by than some photo bitching about CNN 04/16/2016, 8:45am PDT 
"Bernie Sanders says private meeting with Pope Francis is not an endorsement" NT by Washington Post Headline 04/16/2016, 8:16am PDT 
Bernie wins by double digits again in Wyoming! by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 5:18pm PDT 
Yeah, but check the allocation after superdelegates by not enough for Berning Man 04/09/2016, 9:05pm PDT 
Berning Man! I'm stealing that NT by perfect description of Sanders base 04/12/2016, 10:22pm PDT 
This primary represents the eternal battle between Hippies and Yuppies. NT by Mischief Maker 04/14/2016, 4:27pm PDT 
Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/11/2016, 12:17pm PDT 
Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by Historio 04/11/2016, 2:09pm PDT 
Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:15pm PDT 
So... white people attract rain clouds? by Mischief Maker 04/17/2016, 1:30pm PDT 
Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:34pm PDT 
Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:39pm PDT 
Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:43pm PDT 
Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja watching 04/17/2016, 3:12pm PDT 
Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja watching 04/17/2016, 3:14pm PDT 
They are great jumping off points for additional discussions, however. by Kenny Mayne 04/17/2016, 3:18pm PDT 
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