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a simplistic, emotional insult. Thanks. Have you seen the Daily News interview? by just curious 04/08/2016, 6:33pm PDT
Here's them asking Bernie, were he a prosecutor, which laws he would point to being broken in order to charge executives with.

Daily News: Okay. Staying with Wall Street, you've pointed out, that "not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy." Why was that? Why did that happen? Why was there no prosecution?

Sanders: I would suspect that the answer that some would give you is that while what they did was horrific, and greedy and had a huge impact on our economy, that some suggest that...that those activities were not illegal. I disagree. And I think an aggressive attorney general would have found illegal activity.

Daily News: So do you think that President Obama's Justice Department essentially was either in the tank or not as...

Sanders: No, I wouldn’t say they were in the tank. I'm saying, a Sanders administration would have a much more aggressive attorney general looking at all of the legal implications. All I can tell you is that if you have Goldman Sachs paying a settlement fee of $5 billion, other banks paying a larger fee, I think most Americans think, "Well, why do they pay $5 billion?" Not because they're heck of a nice guys who want to pay $5 billion. Something was wrong there. And if something was wrong, I think they were illegal activities.

Daily News: Okay. But do you have a sense that there is a particular statute or statutes that a prosecutor could have or should have invoked to bring indictments?

Sanders: I suspect that there are. Yes.

Daily News: You believe that? But do you know?

Sanders: I believe that that is the case. Do I have them in front of me, now, legal statutes? No, I don't. But if I would...yeah, that's what I believe, yes. When a company pays a $5 billion fine for doing something that's illegal, yeah, I think we can bring charges against the executives.

Daily News: I'm only pressing because you've made it such a central part of your campaign. And I wanted to know what the mechanism would be to accomplish it.

Sanders: Let me be very clear about this. Alright? Let me repeat what I have said. Maybe you've got a quote there. I do believe that, to a significant degree, the business model of Wall Street is fraud.

And you asked me, you started this discussion off appropriately enough about when I talk about morality. When I talk about it, that's what I think. I think when you have the most powerful financial institutions in this country, whose assets are equivalent to 58% of the GDP of this country, who day after day engage in fraudulent activity, that sets a tone.

That sets a tone for some 10-year-old kid in this country who says, "Look, these people are getting away from it. They're lying. They're cheating. Why can't I do that?"

Daily News: What kind of fraudulent activity are you referring to when you say that?

Sanders: What kind of fraudulent activity? Fraudulent activity that brought this country into the worst economic decline in its history by selling packages of fraudulent, fraudulent, worthless subprime mortgages. How's that for a start?

Selling products to people who you knew could not repay them. Lying to people without allowing them to know that in a year, their interest rates would be off the charts. They would not repay that. Bundling these things. Putting them into packages with good mortgages. That's fraudulent activity.

Daily News: All right. You say also that the big financial institutions and the wealthy have rigged the game against regular Americans. And you've also criticized Hillary Clinton for saying, "We just need to impose a few more fees and regulations on the finance industry."

Sanders: Yep.


I think 99.9% of people would be guilty of not being able to cite a specific financial statute on the spot, but this man is running for president and as was pointed out is basing his entire campaign platform on this central issue. Laws? To prosecute crimes? Bernie has FEELINGS and SUSPICIONS and that should be enough!

But really I think the meat of the whole thing is at the end. Criticizing Hillary for saying banks need more regulation. THE HORROR! Suggesting a complex solution to improve a complex system is not as satisfying as BERNIE SMASH BANKS. The court of a-FEELS has spoken!

Really that entire interview Sanders comes off badly. Embarrassingly so. Emotional and ill informed do not a good politician make. At least Jimmy Carter knew his shit.

Daily News: Do you support the Palestinian leadership's attempt to use the International Criminal Court to litigate some of these issues to establish that, in their view, Israel had committed essentially war crimes?

Sanders: No.

Daily News: Why not?

Sanders: Why not?

Daily News: Why not, why it...

Sanders: Look, why don't I support a million things in the world? I'm just telling you that I happen to believe...anybody help me out here, because I don't remember the figures, but my recollection is over 10,000 innocent people were killed in Gaza. Does that sound right?


"Do you support a first step in a practical solution?"

"Why don't I 'support' 'things'? Listen, motherfucker. I'm FEELING and BELIEVING over here. Here's some more outrage to chew on while I dodge another practical solution."
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Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 5:37pm PDT NEW
    Oh god a little sprite bernie appeared NT by Worm 04/05/2016, 6:21pm PDT NEW
    AP called it for Bernie! Now the question is by how much? NT by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 7:04pm PDT NEW
        13 point lead? Not bad! by Mischief Maker 04/06/2016, 5:13am PDT NEW
            Not that you'll hear about it in the mainstream press. NT by Quest for the Dean Scream 04/07/2016, 5:53pm PDT NEW
                Holy fuck. by Mischief Maker 04/07/2016, 7:00pm PDT NEW
                    Interesting by Mysterio 04/07/2016, 10:59pm PDT NEW
                        Now he's getting a fist-bump from the pope?! What a rollercoaster of a campaign! by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 9:47am PDT NEW
    Should I be proud of my Republican neighbors? by Mischief Maker 04/05/2016, 7:51pm PDT NEW
        Whaaaaaaat the hell NT by Vested Id 04/06/2016, 3:42am PDT NEW
    Why do you love Sanders? by just curious 04/08/2016, 9:58am PDT NEW
        and I'm asking because you normally seem well informed on this stuff by just curious 04/08/2016, 10:00am PDT NEW
        Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 11:29am PDT NEW
            Refer to my long posts below for more details, but by just curious 04/08/2016, 6:46pm PDT NEW
        Why do you love Kool-Aid? NT by Even more curious 04/08/2016, 2:51pm PDT NEW
            It washes away the bad taste left by this video: by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 3:51pm PDT NEW
                Hey dumbass I was insulting Curious not you NT by Wall Street commited no crimes 04/08/2016, 5:42pm PDT NEW
                    a simplistic, emotional insult. Thanks. Have you seen the Daily News interview? by just curious 04/08/2016, 6:33pm PDT NEW
        Re: Why do you love Sanders? by The Happiness Engine 04/08/2016, 3:57pm PDT NEW
            Not being able to prove the execs knowingly committed fraud was the problem by (reply to MM too) 04/08/2016, 5:41pm PDT NEW
                Sanders' plan to rein in banks amounts to praying for a miracle by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 11:13am PDT NEW
                    That's another problem with Bernie by just curious 04/09/2016, 6:48pm PDT NEW
        Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Vested Id 04/08/2016, 5:07pm PDT NEW
            Re: Why do you love Sanders? by (reply to MM too) 04/08/2016, 6:11pm PDT NEW
                Leftist coalitions have been a wreck since the fall of unions by skip 04/09/2016, 11:55am PDT NEW
                    The purity test obsession and niche assholes is what's killing progressives by just curious 04/09/2016, 1:11pm PDT NEW
                        Psst! Scroll down! NT by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:15pm PDT NEW
                Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Vested Id 04/11/2016, 2:31am PDT NEW
        Re: Why do you love Sanders? by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 8:41pm PDT NEW
            A little more on Sanders' legislative record before bed by Mischief Maker 04/08/2016, 8:49pm PDT NEW
                Rolling Stone? NT by really? 04/09/2016, 10:17am PDT NEW
                    You would prefer something by the New York Times? by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:45pm PDT NEW
                    Going DURR on the source is really weak. by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 12:51pm PDT NEW
                        Bernie himself is the best source by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:06pm PDT NEW
                    How 'bout this? by Mischief Maker 04/17/2016, 7:42pm PDT NEW
                So he set a record for amendments, and not a single one made it through? by just curious 04/09/2016, 10:53am PDT NEW
                    Re: So he set a record for amendments, and not a single one made it through? by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:51pm PDT NEW
                    Also: by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 12:57pm PDT NEW
                        (This is the guy who inspired the character of Gordon Gekko) NT by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:00pm PDT NEW
                            I'm trying to take you seriously here by just curious 04/09/2016, 1:15pm PDT NEW
                                No you're not. by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 1:33pm PDT NEW
                                You're getting your ass kicked. NT by Mysterio 04/09/2016, 3:16pm PDT NEW
                                    ^ the substance of a Sanders supporter NT by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:07pm PDT NEW
                                        Guys, this person is just curious and of high substance. NT by Kenny Mayne 04/10/2016, 10:24pm PDT NEW
                                I just fucking hate women. Is that an acceptable reason? NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 4:10pm PDT NEW
                                    Only if your hate is honest by Issue an emergency CALTROPS CARES! 04/09/2016, 4:44pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Only if your hate is honest by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 5:07pm PDT NEW
                                            This is why I'm not bothered by Sanders's silly shoot-for-the moon goals. by Fullofkittens 04/09/2016, 6:54pm PDT NEW
                                                That style of negotiation only works if the other side is by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:51pm PDT NEW
                                                    also only if you're willing to scale down the initial offer by just curious 04/09/2016, 8:00pm PDT NEW
                                                    I was alluding to huge funding, weapon deals by Not Congressional bills 04/09/2016, 8:57pm PDT NEW
                                        Down with old white men patriarchy! In with Bernie! NT by an actual Binro opinion 04/09/2016, 6:33pm PDT NEW
                                speaking of independent Senators by just curious 04/09/2016, 6:29pm PDT NEW
                                    Why is people switching party affiliation such a big issue? by Worm 04/09/2016, 7:53pm PDT NEW
                                        In principle? It's not by just curious 04/09/2016, 8:01pm PDT NEW
                                            But that's a different old jewish man, right? NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:15pm PDT NEW
                                You're killing laudablepuss, Larry! NT by Walter Sobchak 04/09/2016, 8:52pm PDT NEW
            okay, now you're just making stuff up by just curious 04/09/2016, 7:37pm PDT NEW
                holy shit, you thought you were telling jokes this whole time?! NT by speaking frankily 04/09/2016, 7:53pm PDT NEW
                He's less overexcited than you about all of this. NT by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:00pm PDT NEW
                    another "I dont care about another yet topic" Worm post ding grats NT by +1 04/09/2016, 8:20pm PDT NEW
                        I care about the topic, jc is far more excitable as anti-bernie than mm is pro by Worm 04/09/2016, 8:41pm PDT NEW
        Let's try this from a different angle. by Mischief Maker 04/10/2016, 5:45am PDT NEW
            Media loves drama. They're out to "get" anyone. NT by Do you think they love Clinton? 04/10/2016, 6:21pm PDT NEW
                Re: Media loves drama. They're out to "get" anyone. by Mischief Maker 04/15/2016, 6:56am PDT NEW
                    I wonder if there's a better source for media coverage by than some photo bitching about CNN 04/16/2016, 8:45am PDT NEW
                "Bernie Sanders says private meeting with Pope Francis is not an endorsement" NT by Washington Post Headline 04/16/2016, 8:16am PDT NEW
    Bernie wins by double digits again in Wyoming! by Mischief Maker 04/09/2016, 5:18pm PDT NEW
        Yeah, but check the allocation after superdelegates by not enough for Berning Man 04/09/2016, 9:05pm PDT NEW
            Berning Man! I'm stealing that NT by perfect description of Sanders base 04/12/2016, 10:22pm PDT NEW
                This primary represents the eternal battle between Hippies and Yuppies. NT by Mischief Maker 04/14/2016, 4:27pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/11/2016, 12:17pm PDT NEW
        Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by Historio 04/11/2016, 2:09pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:15pm PDT NEW
        So... white people attract rain clouds? by Mischief Maker 04/17/2016, 1:30pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:34pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:39pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja 04/17/2016, 1:43pm PDT NEW
    Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja watching 04/17/2016, 3:12pm PDT NEW
        Re: Don't you fucking disappoint me, Wisconsin! by ja watching 04/17/2016, 3:14pm PDT NEW
            They are great jumping off points for additional discussions, however. by Kenny Mayne 04/17/2016, 3:18pm PDT NEW
 
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