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I'm kind of tired of arguing about this since it will make no difference. But. by blackwater 09/27/2022, 2:34pm PDT
Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


blackwater wrote:

We should have lifted the lockdowns after a week or two when it became clear that the virus was not the Black Death.

It's often said that hindsight is two years ago, but to put it bluntly, we didn't know that.


The lockdowns lasted more than 2 years in some parts of the US. It was very clear well before that point that the virus did not have a 9.6% lethality rate, kill 30 million people, etc. etc.

I already said that it was reasonable to panic in the first week or two. What wasn't reasonable was to keep panicing long after it was clear that:

1. everyone was going to get COVID
and
2. the fatality rate was quite low except in 80+ year olds, immunocompromised people, etc.

And #2 is true EVEN with the highly distorted statistics that we got by counting everyone who died "with COVID" as a "COVID death." For example, one person died in a car crash and was counted as a COVID fatality.

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


That would be a disaster. Fortunately, COVID has "only" about a 1% death rate. In the US alone, if we did nothing to stop it, t+hat's about 3 million dead, and hundreds of millions infected, probably almost all of 350 million people. This would literally destroy the healthcare system, which is not designed to handle huge numbers of simultaneously sick patients, extrapolated over worldwide population, I'll presume approximately 1 billion people are so isolated or unreachable that they won't be exposed. So, of the 6 billion people in or close to industrial civilization, we can expect 600 million dead. Worldwide, currently, there are about 6 million dead. Remember that number; I'll come back to it later.


We didn't do anything to stop it. Nothing effective, at least. The virus continued to spread. It is still spreading today. And the hospitals are not overloaded, there are not hundreds of millions dead, etc. etc.

By the way, the whole "hospitals will be overloaded" thing was based on the idea that sick people could be cured with ventilators, which we thought would be a scarce resource. This turned out to be mostly false -- the prognosis of people on ventilators was mostly not that much better than those who weren't on them. So people quietly stopped talking about it.

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


Current statistics show in the US, 1.05 million dead, 6 million worldwide. That means the lockdown in the US saved approximately an estimated two million people, with about 95 million known infected, approx. an estimated 200 million infections were prevented. (We will never know the actual numbed of people not, infected, because you can't know how many events dp not happen.) That the current worldwide death toll of 6 million tracks with the "do nothing" scenario I gave above, shows that in the undeveloped parts of the world it spread like wildfire.


We don't know the number of people who WERE infected, either, because most people didn't get tested when they were sick. Or they were asymptomatic. All that we really know -- the only statistic that isn't complete bullshit -- is the death rate. It is PARTLY bullshit because of the distortions discussed above, but the death rate tends to be a hard statistic to juke, as fans of the Wire know. And the death rate was low.

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


We should have locked down the old and sick, not everyone.

Again, we did not know this at the time. Also, we didn't know (and as I mentioned above) who would catch it, and probably hundreds of millions more who would have become sick.


Again, you are talking like we defeated COVID. We did not. We gave up.

Everyone did catch it in the end. The lockdowns didn't achieve anything. Anything positive, at least.

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


Politicians who moved COVID patients into nursing homes should have been prosecuted for this.

Exactly where could we put them?


They could have been put in hospitals, which no, were NOT overloaded at the time.

Some of the politicians in question took their own relatives out of nursing homes before moving the sick people there, by the way. They knew what they were doing and the likely consequences.

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


We should have gotten a vaccine even faster than we did and done challenge trials.

Are you serious? Typically, the time it takes to develop a vaccine for a medical condition is not measured in months or years, but in decades. One of the other serious diseases - I can't remember which - was discovered in the mid '80s, but it took until the 200s before a vaccine was discovered.


It didn't take decades to develop the COVID-19 vaccine. In fact, it was developed in a matter of weeks. The approvals are what took all the time.

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


The original estimates of 3 years for a vaccine, if we were lucky, was based on very optimistic predictions, using the best case scenario, In fact, at the time I thought this was optimistic. When I heard that one had been developed in only 18 months, I was suspicious, and at the time I was leery of the vaccine and wasn't sure I should get it. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I don't necessarily want to be a guinea pig for a bad product rushed to the market. When I heard that the reason a vaccine was discovered so quickly was because scientists had found a cure because of the research done on the original strain of SARS, back in 2003, and research done since them. Amount of time they had been researching: 18 years,


OK, this made me laugh. Yes, clearly the COVID vaccine took "18 years." Obviously. Why not start counting back when that one guy first discovered the IDEA of vaccines? Then it would take a 100 years (or whatever). Why stop at 18?

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


As for "challenge tests," what do you think they were doing? There is a commercial for IBM, where in a medieval castle, some subjects are petitioning the king to do something about the dragon that's been terrorizing his subjects (presumably feeding on barbecued peasant farmers). He has called in a couple of consultants to advise him on what they could use on the dragon. They walk in, in stereotypical clothing for that era, and drop a closed canvas bag on the table that clinks when it lands. The king looks at them, and incredulously says, "You want me to throw money at it?"



If the consultants had been from the CDC, the first thing they would have recommended is a multi-year dragon study.

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


This is exactly what the US government did, offering grants to drug companies to develop a vaccine. Even I realized that the first company to develop a vaccine would make billions. When a vaccine was discovered, the government paid them cost of production (plus a profit), paid distributors to get the vaccine to doctors, health departments, hospitals, nursing homes, pharmacies, and prisons. Then They were paid for the cost of distributing the vaccine to everybody. The government used the effective practice of shoveling money to suppliers during an emergency, then once it's over, look for cases of fraud or improper use of funds.


Yes. What you are describing is Donald Trump's Operation Warp Speed. Which was a controversial program at the time, and seemingly unknown today, two years later.

If 2022 people "know" anything about Donald Trump, it's that he was an anti-vaxxer and advocated drinking bleach. Those are the only two "facts" (that's a joke, see, because they're untrue) that most of the posters here remember.

Commander Tansin A. Darcos wrote:


The virus was man-made by means of gain-of-function research, which is banned in the US (which is why they did it in China).

I have yet to see evidence of this, and no - revealed or secret - whistleblower(s) has/have appeared to leak this.


Here's some evidence.
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