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by pinback 09/22/2024, 5:36am PDT |
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I was born right after TOS ended, and only became interested in Star Trek when the movies started coming out. I have seen many TOS episodes, definitely not all of them, and remember virtually none of them.
I am, however, a big ST:TMP fan, bigger than most. I had heard rumors about it being "inspired by" the TOS episode "Changeling". Reading more about it, it seems TMP was originally supposed to be the pilot for a new show (which, Mulholland Drive-like, was nixed and expanded into a movie), and I've heard the similarities brushed off as "Roddenberry reexamining themes he enjoyed" or some such.
Last night, just for fun, I watched Changeling to see what people were talking about.
That ain't no "reexamining a theme", and that ain't no "inspired by". TMP is a straight-up remake:
1. NOMAD and V'ger are both probes sent from earth that eventually go crazy, make a U-turn, and start destroying everything in their path on the way back to Earth.
2. The initial attack on the Enterprise is virtually identical, down to the size and shape of V'ger/NOMAD's super-powered torpedo thingies, and Scotty warning that the Enterprise can only withstand a certain number of attacks.
3. When that number gets to zero, they communicate with it and it stops acting like an asshole.
4. V'ger is a big spaceship, where NOMAD is just a baby Dalek, so here it diverges a little since NOMAD can just come onto the ship instead of having to use Ilia as an avatar. But in both cases, it plainly states it's here to kick ass and return to its "creator", and it's all out of ass.
5. NOMAD incapacitates Uhura, V'ger took over Ilia. Either way, some broad's getting the short end of the stick. And not just my wife this time, heyooo!
6. Eventually Spock mind-melds with NOMAD/V'ger, which is too much for him to take and he becomes sad and introspective.
7. At the end, both NOMAD/V'ger disappear in a cloud of smoke. In NOMAD's case, it was suicide, while V'ger evolves into whatever, but even the big explosions echo each other.
8. Both end with Kirk making himself giggle (easily brushing off the billions of deaths that just occurred throughout the galaxy, but hey, we can laugh about it now.)
"Inspired by", my ass.
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Changeling by pinback 09/22/2024, 5:36am PDT 
Thank you for this deep dive. by Mysterio 09/22/2024, 8:54pm PDT 
You should do Insurrection next. by Blackwater 09/22/2024, 9:14pm PDT 
Re: Changeling by laudablepuss 09/22/2024, 10:18pm PDT 
Oh yeah by laudablepuss 09/22/2024, 10:25pm PDT 
“Kirk and Picard were the same guy” is a hell of a take by Blackwater 09/23/2024, 12:48am PDT 
Re: “Kirk and Picard were the same guy” is a hell of a take by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 5:51am PDT 
Kirk = WWII submarine captain. Picard = 1980s school principal by blackwater 09/23/2024, 7:43pm PDT 
The question is are you inclucing TNG movie Picard? Star Trek: Picard Picard? by All 3 are very different. 09/23/2024, 8:02pm PDT 
Don’t you dare bring up anything from after 2001. by Blackwater 09/23/2024, 8:12pm PDT 
No, and yes (re: Ferengi) by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 8:25pm PDT 
Also this guy by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 8:32pm PDT 
I disagree with your take that everyone else also disagrees with. by pinback 09/23/2024, 6:15am PDT 
Re: I disagree with your take that everyone else also disagrees with. by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 6:30am PDT 
I don't know what I meant. I just think of Picard as far more professional and NT by "Captain-y". 09/23/2024, 8:05am PDT 
I am arguing, this is an entirely false impression NT by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 8:25am PDT 
I think Kirk, Picard (and Pike) listening to their crew and making decisions aft by Ice Cream Jonsey 09/23/2024, 9:30am PDT 
You're in your 70s? NT by pinback 09/23/2024, 6:12am PDT 
Oh no. Reading is hard. I read that as TNG, not TOS. Derp. by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 6:31am PDT 
My eyesight is in its 70s anyway :( NT by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 6:41am PDT 
I am three years older than you. by pinback 09/23/2024, 8:04am PDT 
Re: I am three years older than you. by laudablepuss 09/23/2024, 8:23am PDT 
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