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Re: What I didn't get by Caltrops lurker OR WHATEVER. 05/11/2003, 8:06pm PDT
Damocles wrote:

The digital thingies, on the other hand, wanted more than just Snakes... they wanted to be able to make any kind of person. Damned if I can remember the full rationale (I was boggling my way through all that shit, just like everybody else) but it was something about information being control or them not trusting weak humanity or information society or some bullshit like that.


The idea was to create an AI model (GW, which uses the colonel's face and voiceprint in the Big Shell mission) that could second-guess and manipulate the general population through planted ideas and suggestions. The AI had to come up with possible explanations for things Raiden told it that didn't make sense - "The terrorists must have brought it in with them." "The president was cooperating with them, but they're also about to get rid of him, so he'll probably tell you what you need to know." It also had to keep him focused and make sure he stayed on track. This made for a bunch of "Hurry up and go here" sort of dialogue.

Raiden was chosen for the test because he was weak and insecure and avoidant, like the majority of the population. They knew if the AI could convince him that everything was alright and manipulate him into completing the mission even with all this weird inconsistent shit going on, the program would be a success and they could start implementing it in everyday life to indirectly control normal people.

Shadow Moses was chosen as a paradigm because the events there invoked a broad range of emotions from Snake, so it was a good test to see if their super-duper complex AI program with it's millions of lines of code and variables, and no pre-recorded knowledge of what's going to happen, can placate Raiden and keep him going throughout his mission. And of course it fucked up somewhat whenever Raiden mentioned Snake, because it was programmed to make sure Raiden completed his mission without any help.

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Damocles wrote:

The aggravating part is that I still think he could have done it properly. I'll agree he screwed it up, but it's even worse for being theoretically possible.


There were a lot of poor choices in editing and pacing in this game. The ideas are solid enough but you really have to bring yourself to excuse the stupid things that for some reason weren't fixed before the game was released. And figuring out what it all means is like a fucking scavenger hunt that nobody wants to do, especially thanks to that last sneering, arrogant conversation that sounds suspiciously like Hideo making fun of you for thinking this game was going to be good.

Hurf, I still think it's good. But it definitely has problems.
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    Re: Buying PS2 Games... by FABIO 04/29/2003, 10:01pm PDT NEW
        ^ title should have read "Metal Gear Solid 2 blows" NT by FABIO 04/29/2003, 10:02pm PDT NEW
            Reports like that kept me from MGS2. Get Splinter Cell. by Colonel K 04/30/2003, 8:51am PDT NEW
            MGS2 is fine if you skip the plot bits NT by Damocles 04/30/2003, 12:02pm PDT NEW
                agreed by FABIO 04/30/2003, 5:45pm PDT NEW
                    Re: agreed by Damocles 05/06/2003, 2:42am PDT NEW
                        Re: agreed by ydrt 05/06/2003, 2:49am PDT NEW
                            Re: agreed by FABIO 05/06/2003, 8:50am PDT NEW
                            Explanation (OMGSPOILERS! OMGLONG!) by Damocles 05/09/2003, 3:49am PDT NEW
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                                        Re: What I didn't get by Caltrops lurker OR WHATEVER. 05/11/2003, 8:06pm PDT NEW
        in defense of MGS2 by Lizard_King 04/30/2003, 10:17am PDT NEW
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                        Re: in defense of MGS2, and with reference to the actual question by Lizard_King 04/30/2003, 6:14pm PDT NEW
            Re: in defense of MGS2 by Damocles 04/30/2003, 12:24pm PDT NEW
                Re: in defense of MGS2 by Lizard_Retarded_Queen 04/30/2003, 12:32pm PDT NEW
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            Re: Buying PS2 Games... by Damocles 05/06/2003, 2:40am PDT NEW
                that comes with the rental???!!!! by FABIO 05/06/2003, 8:51am PDT NEW
                    I wish. Otherwise, it's basically the bastard child of Beatmania and Panzer NT by Damocles 05/09/2003, 3:26am PDT NEW
                        so Damo by FABIO 05/09/2003, 12:46pm PDT NEW
                            Re: so Damo by Damocles 05/10/2003, 12:49am PDT NEW
                                mental image by FABIO 05/10/2003, 1:05am PDT NEW
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                    Immersion! by Fussbett 05/09/2003, 9:32am PDT NEW
                        Re: Immersion! by Jhoh Creexul 05/09/2003, 10:55am PDT NEW
                            Re: Immersion! by Fussbett 05/09/2003, 11:56am PDT NEW
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                            Re: Immersion! by Fussbett 05/11/2003, 4:20pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Immersion! by I need clarification 05/11/2003, 5:43pm PDT NEW
                                Re: Immersion! by Entropy Stew 05/11/2003, 11:08pm PDT NEW
                                    So what? by I need clarification 05/12/2003, 12:15am PDT NEW
                                Not necessarily. by Lizard_King 05/11/2003, 11:57pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: Not necessarily. by mark 05/12/2003, 12:10am PDT NEW
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                                        Fair enough. Fag. NT by Lizard_King 05/12/2003, 12:42am PDT NEW
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                                This was in response to L.K., sorry. NT by mark 05/12/2003, 12:11am PDT NEW
                                Interesting. I stand corrected. by Lizard_King 05/12/2003, 12:16am PDT NEW
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