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Re: To the extent that this applies to me, I'll answer for me by Lizard_King 07/23/2003, 8:20pm PDT
Senor Barborito wrote:


Differences of degree do not equal differences of kind. Here, a capitalist example for you: a dollar bill is a dollar bill is a dollar bill, man - you're at gunpoint and the mugger says, "No, only give me ONE of your two dollar bills" then yeah, no shit you give him the grubbier one and keep the crisp, clean bill. But you don't start throwing money away just because it's dirty.


Mmkay, as to your first statement, no shit; the difference is to some (me) the "degree" of difference between, say, Mother Teresa and Uday are sufficiently obvious as to not require an extended line of reasoning to verify. In short, a little thing called common sense is sufficient to tell which is qualitatively more worthwhile from my perspective. But we'll get back to your statement in a moment.

As to your second point, I don't think it makes any sense. Brains are vastly different from one another. It's as if you had, to oversimplify vastly, bills of at the very least different denomination, if not currency etc.

Same thing with sentient minds, and last I checked those were a whole hell of a lot more important than money.

Again, see above. Also, I think laudable's point about the one dollar bill being in pursuit of the destruction of the other for no particular reason bears mentioning.


Once again, not speaking for BDR here, but for me? Yeah it's more than 'difficult'. You'll notice me failing all over these boards - a lot of the time I'm joking, but I fail even when I'm being dead serious. Innate human tribalism is difficult to overcome, and that's the understatement of the century. You remember that stupid movie where the computer comes to the conclusion that the only way to win Global Thermonuclear War is 'not to play' and the audience basically says, to a man, 'hey no shit'?

What was that, War Games? I forget.

The only way for people 'not to play' is to throw away tribalism, dogma, and values that have no rational basis and stop killing each other needlessly - part of that process involves not celebrating death. We're men, not savages, and we ought to be above that.

See your opening statement about matters of degree above. Your criterion, rationalism, is likewise a matter of degree, not the absolute line that you make it. Dogma is in our nature, and even in your nature. The difference is when we adopt functional or useful things on faith or pernicious ones.
However, like the quality of human brains and their relative value in a general sense, it is quite obvious when one reasoning brainbox is superior in that respect to another, except when they are very close (like trying to compare an Uday and a Qusay). Needless killing is a problem. Killing, however, remains the most, and often only, effective means of eliminating those that would harm you and yours, and therefore must remain an option in extreme situations like Iraq.

I think your failure, despite your wholesale dedication to the cause, to achieve any semblance of this ubermensch status, should be indicative of foundational problems. But that's just me.

You prescribe Descartes to everyone; personally, I think you would benefit greatly from some later thinkers, like perhaps Tocqueville's works on America. It is almost like they were written yesterday, and in between situational observations there are brilliant nuggets of general philosophy, like his views on dogma. Plus, he is much, much, much more pleasant to read.
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    POW Rescue, +5 point bonus. by SBDMT 04/01/2003, 7:36pm PST NEW
        Link? -nt- by Entropy Stew 04/01/2003, 7:59pm PST NEW
            Best thing I can find by SBDMT 04/01/2003, 8:40pm PST NEW
                Re: Best thing I can find by E. L. Koba 04/01/2003, 10:51pm PST NEW
                    Re: Best thing I can find by veronica 04/01/2003, 10:54pm PST NEW
                    Not even close by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 4:50am PDT NEW
                        Just being an ass by E. L. Koba 07/23/2003, 6:34pm PDT NEW
                            Sorry, kneejerk liberalism (read: "Jesus they're not ANIMALS" reaction), my bad. NT by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 8:56pm PDT NEW
                                I CAN CONTROL YOUR MIND!!!!!! by laudablepuss 07/24/2003, 1:13pm PDT NEW
    Possible kill/capture of Saddam's sons. Score pending. NT by SBDMT 07/22/2003, 12:02pm PDT NEW
        CONFIRMED! W00t! NT by SBDMT 07/22/2003, 3:52pm PDT NEW
            It was the 101st though, not Delta. NT by E. L. Koba 07/22/2003, 5:41pm PDT NEW
                Re: It was the 101st though, not Delta. by Bob Violence 07/22/2003, 5:56pm PDT NEW
                    MILITARY TASK FORCE, starring Chuck Norris by Fussbett 07/22/2003, 6:02pm PDT NEW
                        Re: MILITARY TASK FORCE, starring Chuck Norris by E. L. Koba 07/22/2003, 6:33pm PDT NEW
                            Re: MILITARY TASK FORCE, starring Chuck Norris by laudablepuss 07/22/2003, 6:43pm PDT NEW
                            Task Force 20 good enough for you? by SBDMT 07/22/2003, 6:47pm PDT NEW
                                I heard they were too close to a TOW missile explosion and got dead. NT by laudablepuss 07/23/2003, 3:00am PDT NEW
                                    Man all the TOW missles in the hangar must be totally smashed tonight. NT by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 4:30am PDT NEW
                                        Exploding with joy, even. NT by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 4:30am PDT NEW
            Re: CONFIRMED! W00t! by chimp 07/23/2003, 12:47am PDT NEW
                Hur? by Chairman Mao 07/23/2003, 12:54am PDT NEW
                    Re: Hur? by chimp 07/23/2003, 1:15am PDT NEW
                        Time, CA. 1988 on the end of the Iran-Iraq war. by Chairman Mao 07/23/2003, 1:54am PDT NEW
                            stupid but valid reference by Moab 07/23/2003, 2:25am PDT NEW
                Never underestimate nationalism and propaganda by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 1:04am PDT NEW
                    Never underestimate the power of moral relativism to make threads crap by Preachy Postmodernist Bullshitter 07/23/2003, 1:28am PDT NEW
                    God help me by Entropy Stew 07/23/2003, 6:44am PDT NEW
                        You fool! You've doomed us all! by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 8:51am PDT NEW
                            One minor edit by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 10:26am PDT NEW
                            Re: You fool! You've doomed us all! by GRENDEL 07/23/2003, 11:04am PDT NEW
                                On what basis would you assign value? NT by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 11:08am PDT NEW
                                    RATIONALLY, I CAN'T. by GRENDEL 07/23/2003, 11:26am PDT NEW
                                        Bravo! by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 11:42am PDT NEW
                            Re: You fool! You've doomed us all! by foogla 07/23/2003, 3:36pm PDT NEW
                            You adorable nut, you! You're horribly wrong, as usual. by laudablepuss 07/23/2003, 5:26pm PDT NEW
                                You REALLY need to read just a little philosophy. by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 7:51pm PDT NEW
                                    Of course I've read Descartes, freakshow. by laudablepuss 07/23/2003, 8:07pm PDT NEW
                                        No, that isn't the question by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 8:12pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: No, that isn't the question by laudablepuss 07/24/2003, 1:54am PDT NEW
                                I like how you think. Don't understand your patience, but whatever. NT by Lizard_King 07/23/2003, 8:06pm PDT NEW
                            It's 'addenda,' you translating green blob. NT by Rene Descartes 07/23/2003, 6:36pm PDT NEW
                                Oh no, don't burn me at stake, Jesuit ass-sniffer! by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 7:53pm PDT NEW
                I see it as the loss of two potential Friendsters. NT by conflictNo 07/23/2003, 1:09am PDT NEW
                No shit. They always give the LOSERS of wars with America a bad rap. NT by Adolf "Godwin" Hitler 07/23/2003, 1:24am PDT NEW
                    wait, what does that mean? NT by Your fellow faggot 07/23/2003, 1:28am PDT NEW
                        Perhaps, and I'm going out on a limb here... by Lizard_King 07/23/2003, 2:22am PDT NEW
                            The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 4:29am PDT NEW
                                Also hilarious: my spelling of affliction in the above post. NT by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 9:43am PDT NEW
                                Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Lizard_King 07/23/2003, 1:10pm PDT NEW
                                    Are you serious? NT by foogla 07/23/2003, 3:43pm PDT NEW
                                        Unclear, perhaps. But serious, you bet. NT by Lizard_King 07/23/2003, 8:22pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Bill Dungsroman 07/23/2003, 11:56pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 10:25am PDT NEW
                                            Ignore fucked up quote post above, see post below. NT by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 10:27am PDT NEW
                                        Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 10:27am PDT NEW
                                            Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Bill Dungsroman 07/24/2003, 12:10pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by foogla 07/24/2003, 12:33pm PDT NEW
                                                    [NO SARCASM]Good point, foogla[/NO SARCASM] NT by Bill Dungsroman 07/24/2003, 1:16pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by laudablepuss 07/24/2003, 5:29pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by E. L. Koba 07/24/2003, 5:36pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by creativepig 07/24/2003, 6:49pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by E. L. Koba 07/24/2003, 7:26pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 9:52pm PDT NEW
                                                Last I checked Iraqi civilian casualties from bombing was 5,000+, FYI NT by Senor Barborito 07/24/2003, 2:49pm PDT NEW
                                                    That's the Iraqi figure, IIRC. NT by Chairman Mao 07/24/2003, 3:24pm PDT NEW
                                                    Says who? Also, compare to avg. of Shiites paved into roads after GW1. by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 9:25pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 9:45pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Bill Dungsroman 07/25/2003, 6:04pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: The only truly crazy person mentioned thus far IS Noam Chomsky by Lizard_King 07/27/2003, 10:56pm PDT NEW
                                        Pop! by I need clarification 07/24/2003, 1:59pm PDT NEW
                                            ES agrees with INC; world ends; film at 11 NT by Entropy Stew 07/24/2003, 2:25pm PDT NEW
                                                Everyone except Lizard_King agrees with INC on this one. NT by Chairman Mao 07/24/2003, 2:27pm PDT NEW
                                                    I don't agree either. by laudablepuss 07/24/2003, 5:23pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: I don't agree either. by E. L. Koba 07/24/2003, 5:39pm PDT NEW
                                                            Works for me. NT by laudablepuss 07/24/2003, 5:40pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: I don't agree either. by Steve Sailer 07/24/2003, 8:30pm PDT NEW
                                                                Everyone is always biting my shit man NT by E. L. Koba 07/25/2003, 1:15am PDT NEW
                                                        Well, that's what I meant. by Chairman Mao 07/24/2003, 5:42pm PDT NEW
                                                            Strangely I agree with both of you, also, note for laudable by Senor Barborito 07/24/2003, 6:00pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Strangely I agree with both of you, also, note for laudable by laudablepuss 07/24/2003, 6:22pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Dunno, can you wait three days or so? That's my best ETA. NT by Senor Barborito 07/24/2003, 6:59pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Is this your manifesto? Are you holed up in a shack somewhere? NT by laudablepuss 07/24/2003, 7:28pm PDT NEW
                                                                            Let's just say there's a machete involved. NT by Senor Barborito 07/24/2003, 8:11pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Well, that's what I meant. by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 10:18pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: Well, that's what I meant. by laudablepuss 07/25/2003, 12:18am PDT NEW
                                                        Of course you don't. by I need clarification 07/24/2003, 8:20pm PDT NEW
                                                            Re: Of course you don't. by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 9:57pm PDT NEW
                                                                You're on auto-pilot. Again. by I need clarification 07/24/2003, 10:38pm PDT NEW
                                                                    My mistake. by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 11:14pm PDT NEW
                                                            Yeah. Still disagree. by laudablepuss 07/25/2003, 12:11am PDT NEW
                                                                You burned me. :( by I need clarification 07/25/2003, 12:46am PDT NEW
                                                                    My God you're retarded. by laudablepuss 07/25/2003, 12:50pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Re: My God you're retarded. by I need clarification 07/25/2003, 1:48pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: I don't agree either. by The Happiness Engine 07/26/2003, 3:50am PDT NEW
                                                    What do you expect of the majority on a purple internet forum? NT by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 10:19pm PDT NEW
                                            NO NO RECALL DAVIS -nt by Arbit 07/24/2003, 8:06pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Pop! by Lizard_King 07/24/2003, 10:08pm PDT NEW
                                                Holy shit, it's the human pretzel. I bet it can suck it's own dick, too! by I need clarification 07/24/2003, 11:37pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: Holy shit, it's the human pretzel. I bet it can suck it's own dick, too! by Lizard_King 07/27/2003, 10:03pm PDT NEW
                                            Fucking shit. I sincerely wish I'd been wrong. by I need clarification 07/27/2003, 3:41am PDT NEW
                                                It's shit that would have happened anyway. by Lizard_King 07/27/2003, 10:06pm PDT NEW
                                                    Thanks, Neo. I and everyone else stuck in the Matrix appreciate you very much. by I need clarification 07/27/2003, 10:29pm PDT NEW
                                                        What? by Lizard_King 07/28/2003, 10:28am PDT NEW
                                                Re: Fucking shit. I sincerely wish I'd been wrong. by laudablepuss 07/28/2003, 11:01am PDT NEW
                Re: CONFIRMED! W00t! by E. L. Koba 07/23/2003, 1:47am PDT NEW
                Re: CONFIRMED! W00t! by Moab 07/23/2003, 1:56am PDT NEW
                    Does it really? by Lizard_King 07/23/2003, 2:26am PDT NEW
                    Dead people! Take a picture, maw! by Bill Dungsroman 07/23/2003, 10:49am PDT NEW
                        Re: Dead people! Take a picture, maw! by Fullofkittens 07/23/2003, 11:49am PDT NEW
                            Any news on that footnote? I'm still waiting... by I need clarification 07/23/2003, 2:08pm PDT NEW
                                Oh yeah! Sorry. by Fullofkittens 07/23/2003, 2:54pm PDT NEW
                        Just getting into character. NT by Moab 07/23/2003, 12:36pm PDT NEW
                            You deserve better then an NT post. by Moab 07/23/2003, 1:14pm PDT NEW
                                Re: You deserve better then an NT post. by Bill Dungsroman 07/23/2003, 11:24pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Dead people! Take a picture, maw! by Lizard_King 07/23/2003, 1:14pm PDT NEW
                            To the extent that this applies to me, I'll answer for me by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 1:52pm PDT NEW
                                Remember this the next time the clock reads 9:11. by conflictNo 07/23/2003, 2:47pm PDT NEW
                                    Good point by Senor Barborito 07/23/2003, 8:58pm PDT NEW
                                Re: To the extent that this applies to me, I'll answer for me by Lizard_King 07/23/2003, 8:20pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Dead people! Take a picture, maw! by Bill Dungsroman 07/23/2003, 11:50pm PDT NEW
                        Can we be honest? by SBDMT 07/23/2003, 3:10pm PDT NEW
                            Fuck you by FABIO 07/23/2003, 4:25pm PDT NEW
                                I agree. Remember poor Dan and Dave! *sob* NT by laudablepuss 07/23/2003, 5:28pm PDT NEW
                                Re: Fuck you - What? Torture? Also, I'm confused. NT by McMoo the anti-drug cow 07/24/2003, 11:42am PDT NEW
                                    Re: Fuck you - What? Torture? Also, I'm confused. by FABIO 07/24/2003, 9:39pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: Fuck you - What? Torture? Also, I'm confused. by Bill Dungsroman 07/25/2003, 6:12pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: Fuck you - What? Torture? Also, I'm confused. by Ice Cream Jonsey 07/25/2003, 6:28pm PDT NEW
                        The man had his own personal torture chamber by Entropy Stew 07/25/2003, 7:45pm PDT NEW
                            The people sheltering them are possibly $30 million richer. by SBDMT 07/25/2003, 8:16pm PDT NEW
                                They'll probably have to spend it all on bodyguards once their identidy gets out NT by FABIO 07/28/2003, 9:58am PDT NEW
                                    His identity did get it. He's their cousin or something.... by Lizard_King 07/28/2003, 10:30am PDT NEW
                Let's pretend for a moment that you're serious... by SBDMT 07/23/2003, 2:28am PDT NEW
 
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