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Re: Minor addendum by Senor Barborito 07/29/2003, 1:17pm PDT
Chunguo wrote:

Okay, a couple of points:

1. I'm not going to write the license you want. Creative Commons attribution would give you all those rights, without giving you ownership. I'm thinking of Chet and his 'the OMM forums will always be here'. Legally it's a terrible idea to assume things will stay the way they are.

2. Chet's position on copyright sounds (and I'm not a US lawyer, so this is subject to further research) more like him being a cunt. Has someone threatened to sue him? How about if he burnt the forums onto a CDROM and deleted it from his own hard drive, so he was transferring rather than copying? And who would sue? How could you assert ownership/authorship from a nick? Also, wouldn't the DMCA notice/takedown provisions protect you? That is, if someone says 'remove my postings you whore' you could (presumably) do it, yes? If so you're protected by s512 of the DMCA. How did he put it across to you?

I'll do some research and get back to you, but with (1), the CC license would give you what you want - unlimited use subject only to attribution. With (2), if Chet wants to be a cunt we can't really stop him. Sigh.


1. I apologize, I thought you were willing to author a license - I'm sorry if I presumed anything. I only recently learned that any work not for pay but not strictly pro bono is generally considered a I do find your advice invaluable, at least. Furthermore, the CC does not meet our needs because it effectively allows ANYONE to copy and paste the contents of Caltrops verbatim. This is not, if I understand correctly, what everybody wants. At least, I know a few people who don't want it, though probably a few who don't care. Those of you who'd rather have it under CC, mark a CC at the bottom of your posts when you put them up.

2. Anything you could do to gently reassure Chet that it would be OK would be HUGELY appreciated, as we'd kill for that data.

--SB
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Tasty Swiss Cheese Brain by Chunguo 07/28/2003, 1:47am PDT NEW
    Not really, More like: by Senor Barborito 07/28/2003, 4:44am PDT NEW
        Minor addendum by Senor Barborito 07/28/2003, 4:54am PDT NEW
            Re: Minor addendum by Chunguo 07/28/2003, 6:23pm PDT NEW
                Re: Minor addendum by Senor Barborito 07/29/2003, 1:17pm PDT NEW
                    er, 'is generally considered a breach of ethics.' NT by Senor Barborito 07/29/2003, 1:18pm PDT NEW
                    Yeah. We'll get that data right after Chet apologizes NT by Entropy Stew 07/29/2003, 5:41pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Yeah. We'll get that data right after Chet apologizes by chunguo 07/29/2003, 6:30pm PDT NEW
                            Ah, I understand, but you misunderstand my intent by Senor Barborito 07/29/2003, 7:03pm PDT NEW
                            He was offered around $400, I believe, but declined on those legal grounds by Senor Barborito 07/29/2003, 7:04pm PDT NEW
                                Re: He was offered around $400, I believe, but declined on those legal grounds by chunguo 07/29/2003, 8:45pm PDT NEW
 
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