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by laudablepuss 07/01/2008, 3:44pm PDT |
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Fortinbras wrote:
The word "Republic" makes it all better? All of Caesar's big campaigns happened in the Republic era, and the conquest of Greece (where Archimedes was killed by a soldier) happened in that period too. Remember Carthage? The Republic was fairly brutal dealing with those guys, I recall.
I don't include anything past Sulla as part of the republic era, and it was Caesar who brought the whole system crashing down, so no, I wouldn't say so.
The word"Republic" designates it as having some semblance of the rule of law. You're focusing only on the issue of treatment of non-citizens and enemies of the state. The Tribunes of the Plebs had both the power to accept or reject laws suggested by the senate, and the power to protect people from being executed by a magistrate, as well as veto power over city officials. There was an entire social principle of having the military separated from the civil power, no armies were allowed within the city limits of Rome. One of the two consuls elected had to be a pleb. I'll spare you the moral relativistic schtick that I can't judge a society existing in BCE by todays standards, though to single out Rome's treatment of its enemies as compared to Athenian democracy or SPARTTTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA is like burning an American flag and protesting imperialist policies in Red Square. National Socialism was just as unpleasant to its own citizens as it was to those outside its political borders, and that's how I demarcate between the two.
If we were to judge a states worth solely by its foreign policy I'd never hear the end of it, being not only an American, but a Texan.
Well, the late Empire had TWO senates! That makes them TWICE as good as the Republic, right? FYI, an evil pre-industrial dictatorship is pretty much impossible at the scale the Empire operated on. The Empire was more like a club that all the cities belonged to. It simply did not operate at the local level, for the most part, except to collect taxes and for defense. So: local laws were still 90% of a Roman's life. Each town had a charter and that was approved by somebody (Emperor or bureaucratic flunky) and that system worked pretty well. The Emperor could go as crazy as he liked, but it's really only the people in his immediate vicinity that got assraped. I would also disagree with Caesar being the guy who "brought the whole system crashing down", but I'll leave that alone for now. (Wasn't he killed by the Senate? Checks and balances har har!)
Also! Nazi Germany wasn't so bad to its citizens, except the ones who disagreed with their party or were Jewish. People seemed pretty happy while they were winning, and the country didn't go on 100% war footing until the very end. Very little rationing, lots of loot from conquered countries, what's not to love? But you mean unpleasant in a more principled sense of the word. It's still better than the form of unpleasant that happened outside of its "political borders", which I take to mean, past of the starting line before the tank race across Europewar. |
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Variety gaming blogger learns about Sid Meier's Colonization, loses shit. by Fussbett 06/27/2008, 12:10pm PDT 
I read a neat essay about Sid Meier's Colonization once. by Jerry Whorebach 06/27/2008, 12:43pm PDT 
Oh look, some of it is actually applicable. by Jerry Whorebach 06/27/2008, 12:53pm PDT 
Re: Oh look, some of it is actually applicable. by E. L. Koba 06/27/2008, 1:43pm PDT 
Re: Variety gaming blogger learns about Sid Meier's Colonization, loses shit. by VORPoster 06/27/2008, 2:11pm PDT 
Valve fires Erik and Chet? NT by You need Chet to make the website 06/27/2008, 2:24pm PDT 
Yahztee doesn't count? NT by Creexuls, a monster >:3 06/27/2008, 3:06pm PDT 
http://www.affectionatediary.com/?p=414 <----------not bad, for THE INTERNET >:( NT by Jerry Whorebach 06/27/2008, 7:48pm PDT 
RUN AWAY FROM THE RACISM ARBAGA BRGG NT by Grumah 06/27/2008, 5:38pm PDT 
So I was reading the QT3 thread about this (that was my first mistake)... by Jerry Whorebach 06/30/2008, 11:13pm PDT 
Re: So I was reading the QT3 thread about this (that was my first mistake)... by Fortinbras 07/01/2008, 12:15am PDT 
Re: So I was reading the QT3 thread about this (that was my first mistake)... by laudablepuss 07/01/2008, 11:37am PDT 
Yeah, it sounds like the ancient heebs were pretty much asking for it. Thanks! NT by Jerry Whorebach 07/01/2008, 12:46pm PDT 
I guess a better way of describing it . . . by laudablepuss 07/01/2008, 2:27pm PDT 
Re: I guess a better way of describing it . . . by Fortinbras 07/01/2008, 3:23pm PDT 
Re: I guess a better way of describing it . . . by laudablepuss 07/01/2008, 3:44pm PDT 
Re: So I was reading the QT3 thread about this (that was my first mistake)... by Happiness Engine 07/02/2008, 5:03pm PDT 
Re: So I was reading the QT3 thread about this (that was my first mistake)... by laudablepuss 07/02/2008, 5:36pm PDT 
You are a genuinely awful poster. You should go post on QT3 exclusively. NT by Zsenitan 07/01/2008, 11:57am PDT 
Sorry, I'll worship your stench-filled dripping pussy, is it all better now? NT by Fortinbras 07/01/2008, 3:24pm PDT 
No. NT by Zsenitan 07/01/2008, 3:28pm PDT 
Goddamnit NT by Fortinbras 07/01/2008, 3:36pm PDT 
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