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Re: my thoughts (spoilers duh) by ToutSuite 01/02/2003, 4:36pm PST
laudablepuss wrote:

veronica wrote:

4. Smeagol/Gollum was great. He stole the show. I felt thousands of actors shudder as they feared for their jobs in a few years; who's going to put up with their whiney asses when the producers can just go hire Pixar?



Uh, you know that Gollum was played by an actor, right? That's why he looks so awesome. The computer generated stuff is layered over his performance in a pretty complicated way. I understand he had to act each scene twice: once with the other actors, once in the studio with those little reflective pads all over the place like Marshal Faulk for Madden 2003.


A lot of the performance was indeed motion-captured, but there was quite a bit of keyframed animation (ie. by hand) as well. The animators at WETA are top-notch, you'd have to be pretty savvy to discern what was keyframed and what was mo-capped.

Most disappointing was that they shot a great "origin of" for Smeagol's transformation into the Gollum, which they then decided later to put in the third film instead. You can even tell when the cut was supposed to happen in Two Towers, and it's letdown when they don't go to it.

Actor replacement is a lot more subtle. For example, most of the stunts in "xXx" were performed by stuntmen or extreme sports professionals. In post-production, their heads were replaced with Vin Diesel's. The battle will not be whether or not actors are hired, but what the value of their physical appearance is. For example, if you hire Tom Cruise for Minority Report 2: Majority Report, and you only shoot a 3D scan of his head for a few days, having him make various facial expressions and phonemes, then later animate and composite that over a stuntman who is on the set for the full 60-day shoot, does Cruise still get $20 million? Short answer: yes, because no one is going to go see Joe Stuntman in Minority Report 2, and at least three people are going to go see Tom Cruise in it.

And two of them are Tom and Penelope.

In practical terms, I'm going to guess that most of what we'll see in Matrix 2 and 3 will be a digital replacement of Keanu Reeves.
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So, anyway, like I was saying (LOTR sux0rz) by laudablepuss 12/23/2002, 5:16pm PST NEW
    Re: So, anyway, like I was saying (LOTR sux0rz) by mrs. johnson 12/23/2002, 6:00pm PST NEW
        Re: So, anyway, like I was saying (LOTR sux0rz) by laudablepuss, aka "mysterio" (heh) 12/23/2002, 6:24pm PST NEW
    Re: So, anyway, like I was saying (LOTR sux0rz) by mrs. johnson 12/23/2002, 6:01pm PST NEW
        Sorry about that, I got lots of weird errors, and the first post didn't show up. n/T NT by mrs. johnson 12/23/2002, 6:01pm PST NEW
    Stop, just...stop. You only make me yearn for Tatters. by CrackerBarrel 12/24/2002, 9:04pm PST NEW
        Re: Stop, just...stop. You only make me yearn for Tatters. by laudablepuss 12/31/2002, 7:00pm PST NEW
    My planethate response to your planethate post by FABIO 01/01/2003, 6:04am PST NEW
    What I thought was my argument-ending reply on Planet Hate... by ToutSuite 01/01/2003, 1:36pm PST NEW
        Re: What I thought was my argument-ending reply on Planet Hate... by Zseni 01/01/2003, 2:13pm PST NEW
            Re: What I thought was my argument-ending reply on Planet Hate... by TAFKAM 01/06/2003, 2:15pm PST NEW
        my thoughts (spoilers duh) by veronica 01/01/2003, 2:49pm PST NEW
            Re: my thoughts (spoilers duh) by laudablepuss 01/02/2003, 1:22pm PST NEW
                Re: my thoughts (spoilers duh) by ToutSuite 01/02/2003, 4:36pm PST NEW
                    Re: my thoughts (spoilers duh) by mrs. johnson 01/02/2003, 5:05pm PST NEW
                        Movies suck now. by Fussbett 01/02/2003, 6:02pm PST NEW
                            Re: Movies suck now. NT by Pasty guys with dreads are fags n/T 01/03/2003, 9:07pm PST NEW
        Reason for Liv Tyler's scene by Mischief Maker 01/01/2003, 10:58pm PST NEW
        Well by Senor Barborito 01/02/2003, 6:10am PST NEW
            Re: Well by Bananadine 01/02/2003, 12:22pm PST NEW
        My take by ToutSuite 01/02/2003, 9:35am PST NEW
            Re: My take by Senor Barborito 01/02/2003, 10:42am PST NEW
            Re: My take by laudablepuss 01/02/2003, 1:42pm PST NEW
                Re: My take by junior allen 01/02/2003, 2:17pm PST NEW
                    Re: My take by laudablepuss 01/02/2003, 2:55pm PST NEW
                        Re: My take by mrs. johnson 01/02/2003, 5:01pm PST NEW
                            Re: My take by Bodybag 01/02/2003, 6:43pm PST NEW
                                Re: My take by ToutSuite 01/02/2003, 7:47pm PST NEW
                                    Re: My take by Bodybag 01/02/2003, 8:55pm PST NEW
                        Re: My take by Bill Dungsroman, HSW 01/03/2003, 11:42am PST NEW
            BG in Gangs of New York. by Fussbett 01/02/2003, 8:06pm PST NEW
                Also: SPOILERS(NT) by Bodybag 01/02/2003, 8:51pm PST NEW
                    It's not a spoiler. by Fussbett 01/02/2003, 9:05pm PST NEW
                        We can't take the risk. ES, delete! by Ray, of Light 01/02/2003, 10:58pm PST NEW
                            I CANT READ THIS THREAD. HAVE NOT SEEN MOVIE YET -nt- by Entropy Stew 01/03/2003, 11:29pm PST NEW
            Re: My take by Chairman Nematode 01/03/2003, 12:04am PST NEW
        Re: What I thought was my argument-ending reply on Planet Hate... by Ice Cream Jonsey 01/02/2003, 3:08pm PST NEW
    One big improvement of TTT over FOTR by Mischief Maker 01/05/2003, 5:41pm PST NEW
        Suspension of belief ay? n/T NT by mrs. johnson 01/05/2003, 6:05pm PST NEW
            Fucking Canadians NT by Mischief Moose 01/06/2003, 1:50pm PST NEW
 
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