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Re: I'm a pussy because... by mrs. johnson 02/03/2003, 2:13am PST
Senor Barborito wrote:



GTA1 (or 3) and Morrowind are both amazingly great, but I can't say that when I load them up I have as much fun as I just did when I loaded up Deus Ex two weeks ago and beat it start to finish for the ninth time.

I don't feel compelled to replay GTA3, Morrowind, or GTA1 the way I do the games I listed. Of them Morrowind is the closest and it's probably unfair to include Privateer while failing to include Morrowind. I wish I could say that I thought Sam 'n Max was one of the BEST GAMES EVAR but it's different. Sam 'n Max comes from a genre with inherently little replay value after the first-second time you beat it because you've heard all the jokes.

In both the case of Morrowind and Sam 'n Max the simple truth is this: life isn't fair. Morrowind suffered so many problems - and I'm not talking about technical problems but honest-to-God outright gameplay problems - that it's dropped off. Amazing vision, poor implementation at both the abstract and real levels. Sam 'n Max simply comes from a genre that reduces it to little more than a slightly-interactive and especially funny protracted episode of the Simpsons. It's one of my favorites purely in terms of subjective experience, but I can't honestly say that it (or, sadly, the entire Myst + humor adventure genre) deserves real critical acclaim for being something amazingly different.

Thief and Deus Ex are the first two I'd drop from the list despite Thief being my favorite game of all time and the one I consider closest to honest 'art' (this despite it not being the game I enjoy the most). Why? Because they are, in the end, retro-fitted FPSes. What saves them is the way level-design in the game was approached such that there are several ways in which to accomplish nearly everything in the game - an attribute that their forthcoming sequels will supposedly emphasize, btw.

And Planescape? Planescape is simply the best and most original CRPG known to man. Of the games I listed it is, in my opinion entirely, the second most likely to qualify as real 'art.' It is a tragedy for all of gaming that the primary person responsible has left the industry entirely.

--SB


It is true that adventure games have very little replay value, but if we are talking pure replay value then nothing comes closer than Tetris. I've beaten Super Mario World maybe 15 times by now, and I am not tired of it at all. It soothes me. Planescape: Torment is indeed art, but then so is Final Fantasy 6. And so is any game that has made me feel. That maybe a ridiculous statement, but only a handful of games ever gave me feeling. Strangely Jedi Knight 2 is among them. The lightsaber battle system there is so wonderful, that it perfectly recreates for me what watching Star Wars did as a kid. And that is just pure excitement and feeling fucking cool. I never played sports much, but in some games of ultimate frisbee the pure feeling of amazing accomplishment is possible to create in video games. That's what I crave. Hell, the first computer game I ever played was Epic Pinball.

the mrs.
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Whoa by Senor Barborito 02/02/2003, 6:20am PST NEW
    Re: Whoa by Cyrris 02/02/2003, 3:58pm PST NEW
        Re: Whoa by Jhoh Creexul 02/02/2003, 5:51pm PST NEW
    Well... by mrs. johnson 02/02/2003, 5:53pm PST NEW
        Re: Well... by FABIO 02/02/2003, 6:07pm PST NEW
            Re: Well... by mrs. johnson 02/02/2003, 6:48pm PST NEW
                Re: Well... by FABIO 02/04/2003, 12:29am PST NEW
                    Sent. n/T NT by mrs. johnson 02/04/2003, 1:06am PST NEW
            Re: Well... by Mischief Maker 02/02/2003, 10:25pm PST NEW
                Re: Well... by FoK 02/02/2003, 10:30pm PST NEW
                    Yes. Maybe... by Mischief Maker 02/02/2003, 11:04pm PST NEW
                    Look by Senor Barborito 02/03/2003, 12:23am PST NEW
                        Can't respect that list... by FoK 02/03/2003, 1:07am PST NEW
                        I'm a pussy because... by mrs. johnson 02/03/2003, 1:39am PST NEW
                            Oh yeah, my favorite game ever is: Super Mario World n/T NT by mrs. johnson 02/03/2003, 1:45am PST NEW
                                Not Mario Kart? heathen. n/T NT by veronica 02/03/2003, 2:01am PST NEW
                                    Fuckin A -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 02/03/2003, 4:13pm PST NEW
                            Re: I'm a pussy because... by Senor Barborito 02/03/2003, 2:01am PST NEW
                                Re: I'm a pussy because... by mrs. johnson 02/03/2003, 2:13am PST NEW
                                you all forgot the two greatest game ever by Asmo 02/06/2003, 2:04am PST NEW
                                    Re: you all forgot the two greatest game ever by FABIO 02/06/2003, 1:35pm PST NEW
                                        Re: you all forgot the two greatest game ever by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/06/2003, 3:01pm PST NEW
                                            Re: you all forgot the two greatest game ever by FABIO 02/06/2003, 11:01pm PST NEW
                                            unreal came out before ss2 -nt- by Asmo 02/07/2003, 12:55am PST NEW
                                        Fabio = Ass Clown by Asmo 02/07/2003, 12:51am PST NEW
                                            Re: Fabio = Ass Clown by FABIO 02/07/2003, 1:51am PST NEW
                                                Here's your proof by Asmo 02/07/2003, 4:42pm PST NEW
                                                    System Shock 2 Sucked by Mischief Maker 02/07/2003, 4:54pm PST NEW
                                                        i've never been called a ass-marsupiologist before -nt- by Asmo 02/07/2003, 6:05pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: Here's your proof by FABIO 02/10/2003, 1:53pm PST NEW
                            Re: I'm a pussy because... by Entropy Stew 02/03/2003, 4:14pm PST NEW
                                Also: Quest For Glory by Alternate789 02/03/2003, 4:38pm PST NEW
                                    FUCK YES by Entropy Stew 02/03/2003, 5:18pm PST NEW
                                        The death of sierra adventure games by FABIO 02/11/2003, 6:34am PST NEW
                                    What, Sierra love without Gabriel Knight? Also: Allegiance by Damocles 02/04/2003, 3:36am PST NEW
                                        Alleigence is still around. And free. by CrackerBarrel 02/04/2003, 2:49pm PST NEW
                                            Spelling is also free, but I choose not to take it. (NT) NT by CrackerBarrel 02/04/2003, 2:57pm PST NEW
                                        Re: What, Sierra love without Gabriel Knight? Also: Allegiance by FABIO 02/04/2003, 6:26pm PST NEW
                                            Re: What, Sierra love without Gabriel Knight? Also: Allegiance by Bill Dungsroman 02/06/2003, 3:13pm PST NEW
                                                Re: What, Sierra love without Gabriel Knight? Also: Allegiance by FABIO 02/06/2003, 10:57pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: What, Sierra love without Gabriel Knight? Also: Allegiance by Damocles 02/11/2003, 1:53am PST NEW
                                            Re: What, Sierra love without Gabriel Knight? Also: Allegiance by Damocles 02/11/2003, 1:51am PST NEW
                                                Re: What, Sierra love without Gabriel Knight? Also: Allegiance by CrackerBarrel 02/14/2003, 4:22pm PST NEW
                                        Teh coffin ees EMP-TAHY! -nt- NT by Zydeco Gumbo 02/05/2003, 8:26pm PST NEW
                                Yeah, Longest Journey kicks ass. n/T NT by mrs. johnson 02/03/2003, 9:58pm PST NEW
                                    Re: Yeah, Longest Journey kicks ass. n/T by junior allen 02/06/2003, 3:54pm PST NEW
                                        Agreed re: ending by Entropy Stew 02/06/2003, 4:00pm PST NEW
                                            Belated "I hated TLJ" post. by CrackerBarrel 02/10/2003, 11:45am PST NEW
                                                Re: Belated "I hated TLJ" post. by Entropy Stew 02/10/2003, 2:21pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: Belated "I hated TLJ" post. by CrackerBarrel 02/10/2003, 3:34pm PST NEW
                                                        Re: Belated "I hated TLJ" post. by Bill Dungsroman 02/10/2003, 3:57pm PST NEW
                                                            Re: Belated "I hated TLJ" post. by CrackerBarrel 02/10/2003, 4:34pm PST NEW
                                                            RE: TLJ players by Damocles 02/11/2003, 1:59am PST NEW
                        You left out Freespace 2 by Mischief Maker 02/03/2003, 11:28am PST NEW
                            Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Choson 02/03/2003, 1:48pm PST NEW
                            Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/03/2003, 2:00pm PST NEW
                                Re: You left out Freespace 2 by curst 02/03/2003, 2:42pm PST NEW
                                    Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Entropy Stew 02/03/2003, 4:12pm PST NEW
                                        On Sacrifice by Senor Barborito 02/03/2003, 8:51pm PST NEW
                                            Re: On Sacrifice by curst 02/04/2003, 10:55am PST NEW
                                                Re: On Sacrifice by Senor Barborito 02/04/2003, 11:14am PST NEW
                                                    Ground Control by FABIO 02/06/2003, 1:53pm PST NEW
                                        All of you have left out Fallout....for shame by Bodybag 02/03/2003, 11:02pm PST NEW
                                            Finally: someone else who worships Ghost Recon n/T NT by mrs. johnson 02/03/2003, 11:15pm PST NEW
                                            Re: All of you have left out Fallout....for shame by FABIO 02/04/2003, 12:50am PST NEW
                                            Allow me to reveal your lists' shortcomings by Ray, of Light 02/04/2003, 12:59am PST NEW
                                                Yes. by Fussbett 02/04/2003, 5:08pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: Yes. by Ray, of Light 02/04/2003, 9:37pm PST NEW
                                            You forgot Dynasty Warriors 3 for PS2 by No Body 02/04/2003, 8:27pm PST NEW
                                                Dynasty Warriors 3 is, bluntly, the shit by Damocles 02/11/2003, 2:04am PST NEW
                                                    Re: Dynasty Warriors 3 is, bluntly, the shit by FABIO 02/11/2003, 6:21am PST NEW
                                                        Re: Dynasty Warriors 3 is, bluntly, the shit by curst 02/11/2003, 3:19pm PST NEW
                                                            Re: Dynasty Warriors 3 is, bluntly, the shit by FABIO 02/12/2003, 12:05am PST NEW
                                                                Re: Dynasty Warriors 3 is, bluntly, the shit by curst 02/13/2003, 10:59am PST NEW
                                        FREEspace 2 by CrackerBarrel 02/07/2003, 7:41pm PST NEW
                                    Re: You left out Freespace 2 by niche 02/04/2003, 10:44am PST NEW
                                        Re: You left out Freespace 2 by curst 02/04/2003, 11:22am PST NEW
                                        Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Unbitter 02/04/2003, 5:16pm PST NEW
                                        Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/04/2003, 5:54pm PST NEW
                                            Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Choson 02/04/2003, 6:10pm PST NEW
                                                Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/07/2003, 2:36am PST NEW
                                                    Re: You left out Freespace 2 by FABIO 02/07/2003, 4:15am PST NEW
                                                    Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Battlefield 3010 02/07/2003, 6:12am PST NEW
                                Re: You left out Freespace 2 by FABIO 02/04/2003, 1:04am PST NEW
                                    Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Master of Lurkers 02/10/2003, 10:08pm PST NEW
                                        Re: You left out Freespace 2 by FABIO 02/11/2003, 6:39am PST NEW
                                            Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Master of Contradiction 02/11/2003, 9:12pm PST NEW
                                                Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Unbitter 02/11/2003, 10:00pm PST NEW
                                                    Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Master of Lurkers 02/11/2003, 11:02pm PST NEW
                                                        Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Unbitter 02/12/2003, 2:30pm PST NEW
                                                            Re: You left out Freespace 2 by Mischief Maker 02/12/2003, 3:41pm PST NEW
                                                                Re: You left out Freespace 2 by FABIO 02/13/2003, 10:29pm PST NEW
                Re: Well... by FABIO 02/04/2003, 1:15am PST NEW
                    Re: Well... by Senor Barborito 02/04/2003, 7:29am PST NEW
        Re: Well... by Choson 02/02/2003, 6:30pm PST NEW
            Yeah, it's fucking disturbing by Entropy Stew 02/02/2003, 6:47pm PST NEW
                Re: Yeah, it's fucking disturbing by I need clarification 02/02/2003, 7:25pm PST NEW
    Re: Whoa by Mischief Maker 02/02/2003, 10:28pm PST NEW
    Stupid Question... by Damocles 02/04/2003, 3:41am PST NEW
        Re: Stupid Question... by Jhoh Creexul 02/04/2003, 3:57am PST NEW
        Sorry I phrased that poorly by Senor Barborito 02/04/2003, 7:46am PST NEW
            Re: Sorry I phrased that poorly by FABIO 02/06/2003, 1:59pm PST NEW
                You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Entropy Stew 02/06/2003, 2:41pm PST NEW
                    Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Bill Dungsroman 02/06/2003, 3:22pm PST NEW
                        Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/06/2003, 3:59pm PST NEW
                            Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Entropy Stew 02/06/2003, 4:32pm PST NEW
                                Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Bill Dungsroman 02/06/2003, 5:41pm PST NEW
                                    Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by FABIO 02/06/2003, 10:51pm PST NEW
                                        I'm totally getting this game now.<nt> by Boba Bagg 02/06/2003, 11:20pm PST NEW
                                        GOLD (nt) by veronica 02/07/2003, 1:05am PST NEW
                                        Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by motherhead 02/07/2003, 1:44am PST NEW
                                        Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Bill Dungsroman 02/07/2003, 11:37am PST NEW
                                            Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Entropy Stew 02/07/2003, 1:27pm PST NEW
                                            Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by FABIO 02/07/2003, 3:57pm PST NEW
                                            Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by FABIO 02/07/2003, 4:06pm PST NEW
                                                That's entirely why they're doing this by Senor Barborito 02/07/2003, 5:31pm PST NEW
                                                    MMORPG publishers: the new tobacco industry (N/T) NT by Alternate789 02/10/2003, 12:14pm PST NEW
                                                Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Bill Dungsroman 02/07/2003, 5:39pm PST NEW
                                        HA HA HA HA HA!!!! (NT) NT by Mischief Shai-Huluud 02/07/2003, 12:18pm PST NEW
                                        That's even cooler than Mad Max in speedboats -nt- by Entropy Stew 02/07/2003, 1:12pm PST NEW
                                        Re: You've hit it directly on its pointy little head by Kmax 02/10/2003, 5:02pm PST NEW
                Re: Sorry I phrased that poorly by Bodybag 02/06/2003, 11:28pm PST NEW
            Great, now I fucking *HAVE* to become a jedi. by Damocles 02/11/2003, 2:10am PST NEW
 
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