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Following FOK’s lead, here are my thoughts, such as I can give them from a position of obviously unassailable neutrality and superior detachment. I’ll summarily pass over the issues so that whoever’s accounting your consensus group hand waving can include my votes when objectively deciding who wins.
Without much context other than his conduct here, from what I've seen SB doesn’t seem to be the Fincher protagonist he’s made out to be.
That said, the heavy-handed reaction to the spammer was stupid and cowardly. The appeal to the forums about it afterwards was even worse. But neither of those things seem to indicate that SB is anything other than jumpy, and ES severe, and after having the piss taken out of both of them for their respective flaws, I’m guessing they’ll act less administrative in the future. What’s the problem? Someone fucks up and you attack them for it. Seems to be as functional a peer control mechanism as any.
Obscure forum names are not a problem; why placate the obtuse?
FAQs, workable email, disclaimers, submission processes, and so on are all good ideas. Clamor enough and surely the admins will get on it.
Also, the work that SB and ES have put into the site should qualify them for a little bit more bitch-leeway than non-participants. Ostensibly, they care more than you.
Still, it seems fair to troll SB and V as much as possible. It’s apparently quite productive of heated exchange; I only wish you all were a little funnier when you called each other out. (kudos to the SB site; good play, good play)
In fact, now that I think about it, the choice attacks and wordplay, the quality rhetoric and meta-games and sneaky turns of phrase need to get more recognition from their targets than a presumptuously expressive one-liner or repetitious restatement of some or another character cliché. Is the idea that fine wit can be undermined by snide self-reference, or that its legitimacy is destroyed by a refusal to meet it on its own ground? If you’re performing for some imagined audience, Vag’s brother beats you almost every time (SB got in a few good ones, too). Anyway, this is incidental to everything else. I like the metafag concept, but surely dismissal is an admission of defeat?
Speaking of which, the FGiTM articles were quite good. Clifford Geertz commentary and a knowing sending-up of slash fanatics was fun. I was waiting for the time when Vag would live up to her pronouncements of manipulation and mind-fucking, though. I wanted nasty and cunning. Infiltration alone wasn’t clever or devious. Complicity alone wasn’t satire. Still, it sucks that they’re gone, and that Vag lost her sense of humor (or else developed it beyond everyone else’s radar – probably not).
Yet, if she won’t come clean, I think you should put them back up to spite her. That, or find the girls. Make her defend herself. Call her out on her hidden perspective. I thought that you fuckers were about pushing boundaries and comfort zones and whatnot.
Vag banning herself was more than a little strange. There has to be more behind it; I’d like to know what. It’s an Agatha Christie novel written by Rumiko Takahashi.
BD might just be the voice of reason, but only if he’s taking all of this less seriously than the rest of you.
Creexul is just causing chaos. He’s partly upset, but more than anything likes watching everyone else burn.
INC is still obnoxious. Or Chet.
Is there a way to turn all of this into an article? ES? DC?
Finally, you all are a fucking circus. Come what may, I’m completely entertained.
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I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by Bill Dungsroman 04/05/2003, 9:12pm PST 
Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by I need clarification 04/05/2003, 9:17pm PST
Almost positive this isn't BDR by Senor Barborito 04/05/2003, 9:31pm PST
zuh? by ydrt 04/05/2003, 9:37pm PST
Re: zuh? by Entropy Stew 04/05/2003, 10:09pm PST
It's me. by Bill Dungsroman 04/05/2003, 10:16pm PST
There's no email in my inbox yet by Senor Barborito 04/05/2003, 10:22pm PST
Re: There's no email in my inbox yet by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 10:32pm PST
Re: There's no email in my inbox yet by veronica 04/05/2003, 10:36pm PST
Re: There's no email in my inbox yet by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:04pm PST
PS:!!!!!!! by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:07pm PST
Re: PS:!!!!!!! by veronica 04/05/2003, 11:14pm PST
Re: PS:!!!!!!! by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:23pm PST
And by the way. by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:26pm PST
Re: PS:!!!!!!! by veronica 04/05/2003, 11:28pm PST
Re: PS:!!!!!!! by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:45pm PST
For the record, no I'm not convinced by Senor Barborito 04/05/2003, 11:32pm PST
Re: For the record, no I'm not convinced by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:47pm PST
Re: For the record, no I'm not convinced by foogla 04/06/2003, 6:12am PDT
Re: For the record, no I'm not convinced by Bill Dungsroman 04/06/2003, 4:24pm PDT
The answer you seek was delivered to you by I need clarification 04/06/2003, 4:39pm PDT
Re: For the record, no I'm not convinced by Ice Cream Jonsey 04/06/2003, 4:58pm PDT
Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Fullofkittens 04/06/2003, 5:37pm PDT
Actually... by Bill Dungsroman 04/06/2003, 6:09pm PDT
Re: Actually... by ydrt 04/06/2003, 6:27pm PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by FABIO 04/06/2003, 6:30pm PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Fullofkittens 04/06/2003, 6:38pm PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by FABIO 04/06/2003, 7:23pm PDT
'anything' should be 'anyone' NT by FABIO 04/06/2003, 7:23pm PDT
Forum titles cont'd. (sigh) by Fullofkittens 04/06/2003, 7:37pm PDT
Re: Forum titles cont'd. (sigh) by foogla 04/06/2003, 7:50pm PDT
Re: Forum titles cont'd. (sigh) by Mysterio 04/07/2003, 12:35am PDT
Re: Forum titles cont'd. (sigh) by FOF 04/07/2003, 12:24am PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Matt Boyd 04/07/2003, 12:16am PDT
Oops by I need clarification 04/07/2003, 12:20am PDT
SB: An example of what not to do when acting as a mouthpiece for a site. by Matt Boyd 04/07/2003, 12:40am PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Entropy Stew 04/07/2003, 12:30am PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Mysterio 04/07/2003, 12:45am PDT
He's got my vote. NT by mrs. johnson 04/07/2003, 12:46am PDT
It says "POST A REPLY." by FoK 04/07/2003, 12:50am PDT
Yeah by mrs. johnson 04/07/2003, 2:44am PDT
Ace! by Mr. Palomar 04/07/2003, 1:08am PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Mr. Palomar 04/06/2003, 7:47pm PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Ray, of Light 04/06/2003, 10:21pm PDT
Can't. Copyright. NT by Entropy Stew 04/06/2003, 10:31pm PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Jhoh Creexul 04/06/2003, 10:44pm PDT
Re: Mom, Dad, I hate it when you fight! by Bill Dungsroman 04/06/2003, 11:07pm PDT
OMFG joo are sooo Vag LOLERZ!!!! by lessmedsplz 04/06/2003, 10:43pm PDT
OMFG LO- sorry, what? by Ray, of Light 04/06/2003, 11:21pm PDT
Re: OMFG LO- sorry, what? by lessmedsplz 04/06/2003, 11:49pm PDT
Heh -nt- by Ray, of Light 04/07/2003, 12:04am PDT
Record of the Pond Pavilion by Mr. Palomar 04/07/2003, 12:23am PDT
The la(te)st in a long string of disappointments by Ray, of Light 04/07/2003, 1:14am PDT
OMG!!!!1!1! CHECK MY IP!!! This IS NOT ZSENI IVEREAD3BOOKSFOREVERY1YOUVESEEN NT by Mr. Palomar 04/07/2003, 1:40am PDT
"But what," say the forum denizens, "does pod people think?" by up with pod people 04/06/2003, 10:57pm PDT
Mystery Solved by Mischief Maker 04/06/2003, 11:01pm PDT
Excuse me, what? by I need clarification 04/07/2003, 12:13am PDT
You're a fag... or whatever. by Fullofkittens 04/07/2003, 12:29am PDT
ME TOO by creativepig 04/06/2003, 6:25pm PDT
Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 9:38pm PST
Faggotry+synergy=the last 24 hours. LET IT DIE(the drama, not the website) by SBDMT 04/05/2003, 11:50pm PST
Re: Faggotry+synergy=the last 24 hours. LET IT DIE(the drama, not the website) by Jhoh Creexul 04/05/2003, 11:51pm PST
THEN JUST MOTHERFUCKING GO RETARD. NT by The back of everyone's mind 04/06/2003, 12:12am PST
So in the back of everyone's mind, everyone is a big pussy? NT by Jhoh Creexul 04/06/2003, 12:19am PST
Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by ydrt 04/05/2003, 11:49pm PST
Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by moremedsplz 04/06/2003, 4:53pm PDT
I have an opinion... and it's stupid. by mrs. johnson 04/06/2003, 7:57pm PDT
I share this stupid opinion. NT by curst 04/06/2003, 9:32pm PDT
Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by Entropy Stew 04/06/2003, 8:05pm PDT
Re: I'm not one to give an ultimatum (Well, maybe I am), but... by moremedsplz 04/06/2003, 9:23pm PDT
I made it so you guys would listen. It seems to have worked. by Bill Dungsroman 04/06/2003, 11:06pm PDT
BDR comes down, community rejoices. Hot gay sex ensues. NT by mrs. johnson 04/06/2003, 11:21pm PDT
Thanks, and I agree with both BDR and ES here. Sorry about the mistaken ID, BDR by Senor Barborito 04/07/2003, 12:10am PDT
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