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jeep wrote:
Jerry Whorebach wrote:
You could probably get Robb Sherwin to do it for free if you promised him a set of lockpicks. You wouldn't even have to deliver on the lockpicks. By the time he got wise, you'd be half way to Tijuana with your shitty dragon game with great writing!
this doesn't make sense, if good writers were cheap there'd be no reason not to hire them even now. I figure it's a budget thing: you can't show good writing sells a game until it does, so you can't spend the money up front.
do you think icj would still write a videogame if it had, like, pictures in it?
No offense, but I think maybe playing all these awful RPGs in God Mode has destroyed your ability to problem solve. Did you seriously not finish either Portal? Why did you even buy the second one?
I don't play good rpgs in god mode, just fucking first person bullshit games which I only started playing again because of people on omm forums telling me half-life was awesome.
I got the second portal because I had a lot of fun with the first one right up until the end. Same with the second one, coasted right through to that last bit 3 times so far, steam says it's a grand total of 18 hours, but it seems like a little more. I like the two portal games a lot and would pay way, way more than $60 for other games that were that engaging.
I don't want to claim that my reasons are at all similar to anyone else's, but I'll provide my take. However, in doing so I am reminded of that bit from "Talking Funny" where a young Louis C.K. opens for Jerry Seinfeld and tells the audience Seinfeld is the greatest comedian in the world -- with the audience responding "Oh yeah?" and crossing their arms. The last thing I want is someone downloading Cryptozookeeper and crossing their arms because of this post.
I couldn't really write anything of lasting value for the first ten years I tried making text games. (Some would say I can't do so now.) However, from 23-33 I would have been more likely to eat the bullshit that game companies ladle out. By the time that writers get a handle on their craft, they have requirements as a mature adult that don't mesh well with what game companies are known to provide. (If 80 hour weeks, constant crunch and the looming spectre of getting fired when the game ships are the exception, great. But something has gone horribly wrong with industry perception.)
Brian Fargo is going to launch a Kickstarter for Wasteland 2 in March. Would I take less money and worse benefits to work as a writer, scripter and light coder on Wasteland 2? Not really, no. Not at this point in my life. Is Fargo going to pay a substantial wage to two or three guys to write for his game? There's no business argument I can make that says he should do so. More, like fabio said, there is producer ego. At least Fargo has done something. He's worthy of our respect. Schaefer and Meretzky are worthy our respect. Writing to spec for some clown producer who hasn't done anything just makes it another job, and ehhh, I have a job.
You'll see better game writing in AAA titles when game makers unionize. However, game makers will probably never unionize.
(If I get shit-canned tomorrow please ignore all this; I'll be slobbing US, Russian, Mexican, Indian and Chinese knob for the chance to write the bit where Bobby's rabid undead dog becomes an barechested boss monster in Wasteland 2's first act.)
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Has there ever been a game where a stamina meter really worked by Rafiki 02/19/2012, 9:50am PST 
It's sole purpose in Deus Ex: HR by fabio 02/19/2012, 10:38am PST
What's best is when your flashlight draws energy from the same pool O_O by Jerry Whorebach 02/19/2012, 8:32pm PST
I'm still pretty sure the worst is also dxhr by jeep 02/19/2012, 8:40pm PST
I'm still confused by the battery thing by fabio 02/19/2012, 10:01pm PST
Re: I'm still confused by the battery thing (spoilers) by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/20/2012, 10:42am PST
Re: I'm still confused by the battery thing (spoilers) by fabio 02/20/2012, 11:59am PST
Re: I'm still confused by the battery thing (spoilers) by Arbit 02/20/2012, 9:34pm PST
Re: I'm still confused by the battery thing (spoilers) by fabio 02/20/2012, 11:01pm PST
Re: I'm still confused by the battery thing (spoilers) by jeep 02/21/2012, 6:59am PST
You can use one unconscious guy to bait others and tran dart them one by one. by Worm 02/21/2012, 10:58am PST
No, Skyrim (or any Elder Scrolls game) by Arbit 02/20/2012, 9:01pm PST
Probably! On a SSD transitions tend to cut off mid-sound/animation/whatever. NT by Mischief Maker 02/19/2012, 8:47pm PST
Keep in mind, even REGULAR hard drives aren't standard equipment on consoles yet by Jerry Whorebach 02/19/2012, 9:34pm PST
They were on the original Xbox :( NT by Mischief Maker 02/20/2012, 1:14am PST
One of the reasons it was only in production for four years. HDDs are expensive! by And they don't get much cheaper. 02/20/2012, 1:38am PST
I'm playing Bulletstorm right now, and that game uses ACTUAL SPEEDBUMPS. by Jerry Whorebach 02/20/2012, 9:54pm PST
HOLY SHIT-PISS by Rafiki 02/21/2012, 8:02am PST
I'm halfway through the campaign on 'Very Hard', and I still feel like I'm in a by mandatory tutorial. 02/21/2012, 3:50pm PST
Finished the campaign. Maybe the other modes are better? by Jerry Whorebach 02/27/2012, 8:47am PST
What do you know, score attack mode is actually a little bit better. by Jerry Whorebach 03/02/2012, 5:56pm PST
Demon's Souls/Dark Souls? NT by Entropy Stew 02/19/2012, 9:54pm PST
This is correct. by Lizard_King 02/24/2012, 10:10am PST
fear 2 has a sprint meter by sdroa jists 02/24/2012, 2:41am PST
Jagged Alliance: Back in Action kicks you in the balls with stamina bullshit too by Eurotrash 02/24/2012, 9:33am PST
Do racing games count? by Last 02/24/2012, 9:56am PST
stamina meter goes on the pile with save points, cutscenes and...combat? by jeep 02/24/2012, 11:58am PST
Your ideas on games are pretty abhorent to me. by Arbit 02/24/2012, 1:28pm PST
He's the opposite of right NT by about everything 02/24/2012, 5:55pm PST
I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what tards think, but just this once by jeep 02/25/2012, 3:20pm PST
it wasn't an insult by about everything 02/25/2012, 9:27pm PST
oh well then thanks that's what I was going for from the start by jeep 02/26/2012, 8:58am PST
Why is he wrong? by Mysterio 02/24/2012, 9:45pm PST
Are games more like reading books (boo) or playing hockey (yay)? by Jerry Whorebach 02/25/2012, 2:50am PST
Here's a better(?) example. by Jerry Whorebach 02/25/2012, 6:10am PST
tl;dr - you don't fix boring games by making them less like games, you do it by NT by making them more like games. 02/25/2012, 6:23am PST
Jerry Whorebach: Ludologist by Let's Make Everything Into Games 02/26/2012, 5:39pm PST
A nerd who likes games is about the last thing you'd expect to find on-- by wait, where am I again? 02/26/2012, 6:19pm PST
Re: Why is he wrong? by Rafiki 02/25/2012, 9:10am PST
Don't think of it as a skip gameplay button then. by Mysterio 02/25/2012, 12:33pm PST
I think we might be talking about different things now by Rafiki 02/25/2012, 1:49pm PST
Re: I think we might be talking about different things now by jeep 02/26/2012, 9:14am PST
Re: I think we might be talking about different things now by Rafiki 02/27/2012, 1:51pm PST
I see what you're worried about but I don't think it's that big a risk by jeep 02/27/2012, 7:35pm PST
Out of hundreds, I've only played 3 (maybe 4) games whose story was "worth it." NT by Mischief Anachronism 02/27/2012, 1:58pm PST
True. Mostly I don't even remember plots, just certain scenes. by Last 02/27/2012, 2:29pm PST
same by jeep 02/27/2012, 6:46pm PST
"Think of it as adding a sandbox mode, then removing all the non-sandbox modes." by GAME GENIE 02/25/2012, 1:55pm PST
Re: stamina meter goes on the pile with save points, cutscenes and...combat? by Hans Clastorp 02/24/2012, 3:47pm PST
I knew when I put "combat" in people would get twitchy by jeep 02/25/2012, 5:08pm PST
Re: I knew when I put "combat" in people would get twitchy by Mischief Anachronism 02/25/2012, 6:55pm PST
How can you not like any Mario games? NT by Entropy Stew 02/25/2012, 11:46pm PST
Not challenging, setting is as bland and corporate as McDonaldland. NT by Mischief Anachronism 02/26/2012, 3:05am PST
The only excuse for not loving the NES version of original Super Mario Bros... by Jerry Whorebach 02/26/2012, 6:59am PST
You're partly right by Mischief Maker 02/29/2012, 9:08pm PST
If you were running for Difficulty Czar, you'd have my vote. by Jerry Whorebach 02/26/2012, 6:56am PST
re: ironman by jeep 02/26/2012, 8:57am PST
I wasn't being sarcastic. I wish every game had such a robust selection of by difficulty settings. 02/26/2012, 9:49am PST
you're still fucking with me right by jeep 02/26/2012, 10:20am PST
Oh, I see where the miscommunication came in. by Jerry Whorebach 02/26/2012, 11:31am PST
Re: Oh, I see where the miscommunication came in. by jeep 02/26/2012, 3:32pm PST
Re: I knew when I put "combat" in people would get twitchy by Hans Clastorp 02/27/2012, 3:28pm PST
I kind of liked the bit of The Void I played by jeep 02/27/2012, 8:14pm PST
How much do you think writers cost? by Jerry Whorebach 02/27/2012, 9:49pm PST
The problem with hiring decent writers isn't cost by fabio 02/28/2012, 7:44pm PST
american mcgee's the third policeman NT by jeep 02/28/2012, 7:52pm PST
Re: The problem with hiring decent writers isn't cost by Arbit 02/28/2012, 8:10pm PST
Re: The problem with hiring decent writers isn't cost by Arbit 02/28/2012, 8:11pm PST
LET'S BLAME THIS SHIT ON APPLE TOO NT by Arbit 02/28/2012, 8:12pm PST
Re: How much do you think writers cost? by jeep 02/28/2012, 7:49pm PST
Re: How much do you think writers cost? by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/29/2012, 10:18am PST
Wasteland 2? by laudablepuss 02/29/2012, 11:43am PST
Re: Wasteland 2? by jeep 02/29/2012, 1:13pm PST
It really is just ego by fabio 02/29/2012, 11:06am PST
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