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Re: I feel like starting a fight by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 2:03pm PST
Cantor wrote:

Though you may agree with Jesse Jackson, you should read this article (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29524) on A.N.S.W.E.R., the sponsor of and organizing force behind most of the big anti-war rallies in the US. A.N.S.W.E.R. (through its umbrella organization, the World Workers Party) is a group of crypto-Stalinists openly advocating the violent overthrow of the U.S government so that they can install a communist dictatorship. Ramsey Clark, the founder, spokesperson, and director of two of the groups that make up the small interconnected web of WWP client cells, is a lawyer on Saddam's payroll. He's an enthusiastic defender of genocidal war criminal Slobodan Milosevec. The WWP also sided with the Chinese government on the Tienamen Square massacres, referring to the murdered students as treacherous counter-revolutionairies. There are plenty of reasonable arguments for opposing the war in Iraq, but no sane person would want to live in the world that the sponsors of yesterday's marches are planning to make.


First of all, WND is, judging from the front page and the first three articles I went through, as clear-headed a group of individuals as PETA but on the exact opposite side of the political spectrum. Which is to say that I put about as much stock in them as I do in Indymedia. Slightly less than none. Indymedia's a great resource for finding out who got arrested and why during the latest Seattle protest - but otherwise it's full of shit. Even I know that and I'm a socialist.

"Oliver Stone to lionize Castro, Arafat on film? Director using Hollywood cloutto immortalize dictator, terrorist"
"Ex-abortionists expose America's greatest scandal"
and
"It's time to take America back! Joseph Farah's clarion call to revive freedom and morality "

Can you honestly even read those titles without laughing until milk and/or semen runs out your nose and dribbles down your chin? I can't.

Furthermore, I should clarify my position on several points:

1) I dislike Jesse Jackson fairly violently, but like any other human I tend to believe I know the ring of truth when I hear it. I heard it and still hear it in his quote.
2) I am an avowed socialist-utopist. That's right kids, this site is run by the Reds!
3) I am not at all a communist. Socialism is utopist. Communism is not.
4) I support fully the sentiments publicly expressed by Not In Our Name that I have thus far read.
5) I am strongly for regime change, I am strongly anti-war. Read my other post thus far in this thread.

Points from the article:
"The protests also served as a platform for Democratic Party campaigning, as top politicos hobnobbed with the elite of the anti-war movement." Ahh, I love how the far-right never misses an attempt to try and link Democrats with commies, don't you?

"Closely allied with IAC is the World Workers Party, a quasi-Stalinist organization that supports authoritarian regimes and communist dictatorships." That's great. Can/do they in any way back this up? No source? Surprise!

"Now, a small but growing number at both ends of the political spectrum, as well as libertarian activists and writers, are accusing the organization's elite of being sellouts to foreign dictators while giving lip service to humanitarian concerns. Some warn that this "patina of morality" obfuscates a surreptitious political agenda: the armed overthrow of the American republic." Libertarian activists and writers, eh? Bwahahaha! And no offense but these people represent a movement to overthrow America about as much as I represent a movement to start telling everbody how great they are. Not at all and fuck you, gentle reader.

""The International Action Center and the Revolutionary Communist Party [USA] aren't just extremists in the service of a good cause," says Michelle Goldberg, a writer with Salon.com. "They are cheerleaders for some of the most sinister regimes and insurgencies on the planet."" Oh well if it's by Goldberg then Jesus fucking Christ I'd better start worrying. Who else will they quote as an authority for this? Ann Coulter?

"No mention is made of the fact that Clark, in his current occupation, has been retained by the State of Iraq to serve as legal counsel for the regime." And I wonder who Henry Kissinger is retained by these days . . . I'd forward a guess of the Devil I don't believe in, but since the man's already the living incarnation of Satan I guess that makes me wrong - twice! Wacky!

"The suffering of the Iraqi people is blamed solely on the United States, just as the suffering of Palestinians is blamed solely on Israel." There's complicity enough for both sides in each scenario. Saddam and the US draw blame each on the 500,000 children starved to death since the Gulf War in their actions. Israel ought to cut the bullshit attempts to colonize Palestine and Palestine ought to stop trying to drive the Jews (oh wait that's right the Palestinians are the real Jews ::rolls eyes::) into the sea. Are all these things not patently fucking obvious?

"Not surprisingly, criticism of Saddam Hussein is not aired at IAC/A.N.S.W.E.R.-controlled protest events." Here we come to the crux that the author simply does not get. The only way protest rallies this large work is through focusing on the primary overlap central to all the MANY different beliefs involved: no WTO, World Bank sucks, or in this case 'No War.' What each of the many subgroups thinks about American hegemony and whether there ought to be a regime change is set aside so that everybody can stand together on the one point they *DO* agree upon - that there should not be a war against Iraq.

"A.N.S.W.E.R's pro-Palestinian march in April was regarded by many, in fact, little more than a thinly disguised public display of anti-Semitism masquerading as a "pro-Palestinian" march." Bull fucking shit. It expressed the exact same sentiment as this current one - that Israel's continued extremely violent responses inflicted arbitrarily upon all Palestinians for the sins of a few extremists they are powerless to stop are as unjust as American violence that will arbitrarily be inflicted upon all Iraqis for the sins of a government they are powerless to overthrow.

"Frequent mention was made at the march of a "supposed holocaust," and of a "genocide" in Jenin, despite the fact that New York Times reporters allowed into the area had already discredited such reports as erroneous." Oh wow!! You mean protests attract people with far-left and/or far-right beliefs?! Who would've thought?!

"Clark said that he questioned the need to prosecute Nazis "forty years after some god-awful crime they're alleged to have committed."" IF, and I say if because this piece has been clearly full of shit thus far, this point is true - then here I disagree with Clark. The Nazi deserves to pay as much as Henry Kissinger deserves to be violently tortured and killed (this from someone who doesn't believe in capital punishment) for the millions whose blood his hands are stained with. Which is to say 100% in both cases. I guess I should say 'doesn't believe in capital punishment for sub-genocide crimes.'

"The WWP has wooed the Democratic Party, and supported Jesse Jackson's presidential bid in 1984. In New York, the WWP made alliances with the left wing of the Democrats in order to establish a strategic foothold in key trade unions." God here it is again. Fucking shut up - no shit they support the Dems. The Dems are the closest thing they have to a chance of turning the tune of American Zeitgeist even slightly in their favor. Fucking duh. If it was Republicans or Nazis they'd be supporting Republicans for the exact same reason.

"Accordingly, no outrage over Serbian ethnic cleansing or rapes will ever be heard at an IAC/A.N.S.W.E.R. rally." OK this is just ludicrous. So if I go to an IAC rally and talk to people about how the Serbian ethnic cleansing sucked . . . I'll be beaten by free-speech absolutists mayhap? Please.



I think I've made my point several times over by now. This article is full of shit anybody with two brain cells to knock together would guffaw at - and that would be politeness itself.
--SB
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                Dear Assumptive Idiot by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 4:43pm PST NEW
                    So by "I feel like starting a fight" You meant "Suck my cock or you're an idiot" by Fight 01/19/2003, 6:34pm PST NEW
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                        No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/19/2003, 8:03pm PST NEW
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                                        Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by E. L. Koba 01/20/2003, 11:10pm PST NEW
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                                Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/20/2003, 4:31am PST NEW
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                                    Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Fight 01/20/2003, 5:33am PST NEW
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                                        Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/21/2003, 4:30am PST NEW
                                            Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by E. L. Koba 01/21/2003, 11:10pm PST NEW
                                                Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/22/2003, 7:16am PST NEW
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                                            Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Diotallevi 01/23/2003, 10:20pm PST NEW
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                                Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Senor Barborito 01/21/2003, 4:54am PST NEW
                                    Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by E. L. Koba 01/22/2003, 1:23am PST NEW
                                        I was mistaken, thank you -nt- by Senor Barborito 01/22/2003, 7:18am PST NEW
                                    Re: No, I meant 'Suck my cock AND you're an idiot either way.' by Diotallevi 01/23/2003, 10:24pm PST NEW
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                                    Re: Live from Ethniclistan by mrs. johnson 01/20/2003, 6:15pm PST NEW
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                                                Not when you are dividing the aftermath amonst the illuminati by Motherhead 01/21/2003, 5:13am PST NEW
                                        Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 7:16pm PST NEW
                    Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 12:57am PST NEW
                        PS: Fuck you for making me stay to write this. by Zseni 01/20/2003, 10:35am PST NEW
                            I'll wait -nt- by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 1:01pm PST NEW
                            Re: PS: Fuck you for making me stay to write this. by laudablepuss 01/20/2003, 4:09pm PST NEW
                                Fuck that stupid cunt. The next one will stay the fuck out of the street. by Bodybag 01/20/2003, 8:09pm PST NEW
                        Part Two by Zseni 01/20/2003, 7:50pm PST NEW
                            Re: Part Two by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 9:46pm PST NEW
                                Re: Part Two by Zseni 01/21/2003, 10:36am PST NEW
                                    Re: Part Two by Ray, of Light 01/21/2003, 6:03pm PST NEW
                                        How many times do we have to make these mistakes before... by Zseni 01/22/2003, 12:46pm PST NEW
                                            A: at least a few, but fewer than you think by Ray, of Light 01/22/2003, 9:26pm PST NEW
                                                Because nothing says loving like following the conversational drift. by Zseni 01/22/2003, 11:08pm PST NEW
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                                                    Re: Because nothing says loving like following the conversational drift. by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 11:13pm PST NEW
                                                Car Stuff feat. Gay Chemistry & Elementary Fluid Mechanics by creativepig 01/23/2003, 8:06am PST NEW
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                                                        I've got a Chevy with a Mopar cam. by Fussbett 01/23/2003, 10:34pm PST NEW
                                                            Re: I've got a Chevy with a Mopar cam. by Kimberly Scott 01/12/2022, 12:46am PST NEW
                                                                DUDE SIGN ME UP FOR SOME OF THAT! NT by Leisuretown 01/14/2022, 4:54am PST NEW
                                                        KNEEL BEFORE ZEOLITE! by Entropy Stew 01/24/2003, 2:13am PST NEW
                                                            Re: KNEEL BEFORE ZEOLITE! by The regretful proxy 01/24/2003, 2:55am PST NEW
                                                                Motherfuck by Entropy Stew 01/24/2003, 3:09am PST NEW
                                                            Re: KNEEL BEFORE ZEOLITE! by Stacy Collins 11/04/2021, 8:34am PDT NEW
                                            Re: How many times do we have to make these mistakes before... by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 10:32pm PST NEW
                                                Re: How many times do we have to make these mistakes before... by E. L. Koba 01/31/2003, 2:48am PST NEW
                                    Re: Part Two by Bodybag 01/21/2003, 7:04pm PST NEW
                                    what I don't like about your plan by spelling fag 01/21/2003, 10:48pm PST NEW
                                    Re: Part Two by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 10:17pm PST NEW
                    Re: Live from Ethniclistan by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 9:15pm PST NEW
                Bob McNamara Lives! by ToutSuite 01/20/2003, 5:05pm PST NEW
                    Re: Bob McNamara Lives! by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 7:39pm PST NEW
                        Um... by ToutSuite 01/20/2003, 7:48pm PST NEW
                            Re: Um... by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 8:17pm PST NEW
                                Well, then I'll spell it out for you by ToutSuite 01/20/2003, 8:46pm PST NEW
                                    Re: Well, then I'll spell it out for you by Ray, of Light 01/20/2003, 10:56pm PST NEW
                                        Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by ToutSuite 01/21/2003, 12:47am PST NEW
                                            Re: Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by Lufteufel 01/21/2003, 1:34am PST NEW
                                                Re: Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by ToutSuite 01/21/2003, 2:44am PST NEW
                                                    Re: Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by Diotallevi 01/30/2003, 5:11pm PST NEW
                                            Re: Thanks for all the guesses, but I'll speak for myself by Ray, of Light 01/21/2003, 10:53am PST NEW
                                                Sounds GREAT!! by ToutSuite 01/22/2003, 2:14am PST NEW
                                                    Re: Sounds GREAT!! by Ray, of Light 01/22/2003, 10:29am PST NEW
            Re: I feel like starting a fight by Diotallevi 01/20/2003, 9:14pm PST NEW
                Re: I feel like starting a fight by conflictNo 01/20/2003, 10:12pm PST NEW
                    Re: I feel like starting a fight by Senor Barborito 01/21/2003, 1:23am PST NEW
                        But Kissinger wears glasses! You can't hate a guy with glasses. n/T NT by mrs. johnson 01/21/2003, 1:52am PST NEW
                        Re: I feel like starting a fight by Diotallevi 01/23/2003, 10:50pm PST NEW
    Re: I feel like starting a fight by Jhoh Creexul 01/19/2003, 8:11pm PST NEW
        Nice thread, BTW(NT) by Bodybag 01/22/2003, 12:13am PST NEW
            My post is obviously the best, of course. (nt) by Jhoh Creexul 01/22/2003, 4:51am PST NEW
        Many legends in this thread. NT by Horus Truthteller 01/12/2022, 11:52am PST NEW
            Sadly they all promised not to help against Thanos so . . . NT by laudablepuss 01/12/2022, 3:19pm PST NEW
    XYBERHUGE -nt- NT by Entropy Stew 01/31/2003, 1:24am PST NEW
        WAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! by Jhoh Creexul SUPER GAYAN 01/31/2003, 7:45pm PST NEW
 
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