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The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Senor Barborito 08/08/2003, 4:34am PDT Posted after a four hour nap following a 48 hour all-nighter. Forgive my spelling/grammar/word omission. It had nothing to do with oil. Yeah, we (leftists) all hate greedy corporate fatcats - rah rah woohoo. Easiest reason to communicate to our welfare plebes - the left's intellectually impoverished, governed by self-interest (and the flipside to your religious and hick plebes) who REALLY hate the rich beyond reason or mercy. But why did the left's intellectual academy (who are governed by party/country/political global health realities) and middle-class psuedo-intellectuals (who are governed by ethical/moral principles) stand up as one and march against the war on Iraq, and spur the millions of intellectual plebes to march? PNAC. No offense to the right but how fucking stupid are you? Your leaders nailed a sign written with a pen dipped in ink of their own blood and nailed to their gates that read "WE INTEND TO TAKE OVER THE MIDDLE EAST REGARDLESS OF THE REASON" and somehow expected we wouldn't notice? We're an entire political WING ultimately governed by the academicians and intellectuals. We overlook a lot of obvious things and goddamn are we sometimes naive (and it's cost us) but holy fuck - we have eyes, man, and the sign you posted under the pike reading 'SADDAM'S HEAD TO GO HERE SOON' was sort of a giveaway. This is why the left marched against troops in Iraq. Liberia . . . on the one hand pragmatically it's really none of our goddamned business. On the other hand they really do need a fucking hand and it's *potentially* good PR with the third world to help them. The left's intellectual middle-class has made up their mind - they scream for principle's sake, and principle (human rights) demands we head for Liberia. The intellectual upper-class hasn't come to a decision - this is too conflicted. The potential fallout in any situation involving a three-way/four-way in a third world nation results in a LOT of new terrorist recruits (much like your precious Iraq did, thanks guys). The intellectual upper class doesn't like that and what's more they don't like how much this is not really our business - America has a good history, your war on Iraq aside, of not interfering until it's absolutely necessary we do so. Universal party cohesion hasn't coalesced because of this. Our intellectual middle-class may be in a frenzy right now, but they've really got nothing on this issue to spur the self-interested intellctual lower classes into a frenzy over on this issue. I predict no serious Liberia marches, but I could be wrong - seldom has the intellectual middle class of the left had a more black/white example to rage about. The absolute lowest intellectual class of leftists - the emotional and weepy ones - may be moved to intervene after significant media exposure (and the intellectual middle class of the left IS much of the media). Why wasn't this preventing the maches against Iraqi interference? It did for some. But for most there were much greater human rights abuses out there ripe for the picking. North Korea would be a good example. Residually, our own failures when the intellectual upper class's pragmaticism blocked intervention in Sierra Leone during the Clinton administration was something the left would like to forget about, but can't. There's party-guilt on that issue, which generally makes us disinclined to talk about human rights in an overall sense. The WMD 'evidence' presented by the neocons was flimsy enough for not just the intellectual upper class to spit upon, but the left's intellectual middle-class spat upon it, too - and they weren't even monkeying the upper class this time! 'Oil greed' would spur the plebes, so it was used. The rest, as they say, is history. Massive left-cohesive marches against war in Iraq took place, and were promptly ignored by the Orwellian neocons. The right found our weak spot - a terrified populace. As long as the right keeps terrifying the populace with boogeyman stories the populace will continue to hand them blank policy-checks. Congratulations on your new-found license to print political money, guys - the more you use it, the more the left will be forced to rally its surivivors to Canada to regroup. --SB (a leftist caught between the intellectual upper and middle classes)

The man just keeps making sense. by Lizard_King 08/06/2003, 10:07pm PDT     Re: The man just keeps making sense. by Antonius Snape 08/07/2003, 4:12am PDT         You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by Lizard_King 08/07/2003, 2:32pm PDT             Re: You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by foogla 08/07/2003, 3:41pm PDT                 Re: You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by laudablepuss 08/07/2003, 4:13pm PDT                     Didn't his awful cruelty and dictatorship bother you? Only WMDs? NT by mrs. johnson 08/07/2003, 5:02pm PDT                         Sure. So what? by laudablepuss 08/07/2003, 5:16pm PDT                         Re: Didn't his awful cruelty and dictatorship bother you? Only WMDs? by Lizard_King 08/07/2003, 9:10pm PDT                         Re: Didn't his awful cruelty and dictatorship bother you? Only WMDs? by godamit 08/08/2003, 10:49am PDT                 Re: You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by Lizard_King 08/07/2003, 8:55pm PDT                     Re: You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by foogla 08/08/2003, 4:32am PDT             The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Senor Barborito 08/08/2003, 4:34am PDT                 Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 10:49am PDT                 Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 11:05am PDT                     Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 11:17am PDT                     Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Fullofkittens 08/08/2003, 12:31pm PDT                         Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 12:44pm PDT                         Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 3:03pm PDT                             Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 3:59pm PDT                                 Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 4:27pm PDT                                     My "we elected Gore" comment... by Fullofkittens 08/08/2003, 4:57pm PDT                                         Re: My "we elected Gore" comment... by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 5:29pm PDT                                             As you speak by Fullofkittens 08/08/2003, 7:01pm PDT                                                 Re: As you speak by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 7:19pm PDT                                                     Re: As you speak by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 9:33pm PDT                                                         Re: As you speak by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 12:00am PDT                                                             What the hell? by Damocles 08/09/2003, 2:12am PDT                                                                 Re: What the hell? by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 2:29am PDT                                                             Re: As you speak by I need clarification 08/09/2003, 2:33pm PDT                                                                 Re: As you speak by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 4:24pm PDT                                                                     Re: As you speak by I need clarification 08/09/2003, 4:52pm PDT                                                                         Re: As you speak by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 5:41pm PDT                                                                             Re: As you speak by I need clarification 08/09/2003, 10:22pm PDT                                                                                 If we were a democracy we'd get better tech, but then have riots because of Iraq NT by Roop Dirump 08/09/2003, 11:07pm PDT                                                                                     Or you'd have more energy, more Fungus growth and more Drones while at war. NT by foogla 08/10/2003, 4:49am PDT                                                                                 Are you just trolling me now? Or have you always? NT by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 11:46pm PDT                                                                                     For a while now, yeah by I need clarification 08/10/2003, 1:14am PDT                             Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 5:54pm PDT                                 My pleasure by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 6:03pm PDT                                     Well, that explains a lot. by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 6:35pm PDT                     I hate it when you get lazy by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 2:01pm PDT                         I hate it when you post by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 2:54pm PDT                             Re: I hate it when you post by Dr. Logic 08/08/2003, 3:40pm PDT                                 Re: I hate it when you post by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 3:52pm PDT                                     Re: I hate it when you post by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 5:26pm PDT                                         Re: I hate it when you post by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 5:56pm PDT                                             My mistake. by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 7:00pm PDT                                                 Re: My mistake. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 8:51pm PDT                             Don't accuse me of babbling while the spit bubbles drift by your retard helmet by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 3:52pm PDT                                 Re: Don't accuse me of babbling while the spit bubbles drift by your retard helm by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 3:58pm PDT                                     Re: Don't accuse me of babbling while the spit bubbles drift by your retard helm by Dr. Logic 08/08/2003, 4:06pm PDT                                         It didn't originate from the document. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 4:34pm PDT                             "learned" implies truth. NT by Damocles 08/09/2003, 2:13am PDT                                 Hitting "reply" implies you have something to add. by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 2:31am PDT                                     I used to think LK was Damocles's new nick NT by FABIO 08/09/2003, 10:52pm PDT                                         That our views are directly contrary must have tipped you off. NT by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 11:46pm PDT                                             Re: That our views are directly contrary must have tipped you off. by FABIO 08/10/2003, 1:29am PDT                     Since you asked me by Senor Barborito 08/08/2003, 7:01pm PDT                         Re: Since you asked me by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 9:25pm PDT                             That response was beneath you by Senor Barborito 08/08/2003, 10:44pm PDT                                 Nothing is beneath me. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 11:56pm PDT                                     Thank you. by Senor Barborito 08/09/2003, 7:12am PDT                                         Re: Thank you. by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 1:13pm PDT                                             Hmmm by Senor Barborito 08/09/2003, 2:57pm PDT                                                 Re: Hmmm by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 5:47pm PDT                 WHAT??!!!! by Mischief Maker 08/08/2003, 1:08pm PDT                     That's because you are (far) to the left of even them. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 2:55pm PDT                         Imagine an airplane. by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 3:30pm PDT                             Re: Imagine an airplane. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 3:49pm PDT                                 You people must feel awful by mrs. johnson 08/08/2003, 6:54pm PDT                                     That's not what a writer would do NT by Fussbett 08/09/2003, 2:21am PDT                                     Ignorance is only bliss for fools and cowards.NT NT by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 5:49pm PDT                                         What if the topic at hand is menstruation? NT by Senor Barborito 08/09/2003, 6:20pm PDT                                             Your own or someone else's? NT by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 6:42pm PDT                             When can I stop imagining an airplane? NT by Fussbett 08/09/2003, 2:23am PDT                                 Now you have to imagine it slamming into the WTC :( NT by I need clarification 08/09/2003, 2:50am PDT                                     Then you have to imagine the entire passanger compliment fucking. wildly. -nt- by Chairman Mao 08/09/2003, 3:11am PDT                                         Talk about explosive orgasms NT by TERRASTS R SEXY 08/09/2003, 2:58pm PDT                                     On the upside: Hippies and Nazis on the left wing die. NT by Fussbett 08/09/2003, 4:59pm PDT                                         :( NT by foogla 08/09/2003, 8:00pm PDT                                 I was going to tie it in and forgot. So, uh, you can stop now. NT by laudablepuss 08/10/2003, 3:22am PDT