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My mistake. by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 7:00pm PDT
Lizard_King wrote:

laudablepuss wrote:

Dude, take a look at the link I gave you about Yellowcakegate. Scroll down to the bottom and click on the link "Did Condi give the game away?" Take a look at the rest of them while you're at it.

Read the one you cited and the Rice-specific one.
laudablepuss wrote:

Go ahead and embrace it: it was a lie. It was removed from an October speach because it was crap. Then it was deliberately put back into the State of the Union Address.

Because? Because? Give me a reason. The ones that still seem most plausible are those surrounding wishful thinking. Cheney is many things, but hardly a fool. If he is the "overriding authority" (since God forbid we allow Bush a shred of autonomy), why would he gamble on information he was certain was false, especially given the scrutiny every claim about Iraq, even the most facially obvious ones, had met in the past? I think it much more likely that he had a reasonable belief it was true.


Here's the thing I was thinking of. Sorry about that. For your convenience:

Timothy Noah wrote:

Rice was basically correct that a reference to "a single incident"—Saddam's purported attempt to purchase up to 500 metric tons of uranium oxide in Niger—was removed from the Cincinnati speech at Tenet's request. (It would have been more precise to say this was a reference to "a single number.") But Rice was wrong to say that this was the only change Tenet requested. Hadley, her deputy, revealed at the July 22 briefing that Tenet also objected to revised language in the speech referring more generally to Saddam's purported yellowcake safari. As Hadley's comment above makes clear, Tenet didn't want Bush to mention the yellowcake allegations at all.


So as far as I can tell, the alternative explanation to knowingly lying is incredible stupidity. On the otherhand, why choose?

(This concludes Timothy Noah Fan Hour.)
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The man just keeps making sense. by Lizard_King 08/06/2003, 10:07pm PDT NEW
    Re: The man just keeps making sense. by Antonius Snape 08/07/2003, 4:12am PDT NEW
        You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by Lizard_King 08/07/2003, 2:32pm PDT NEW
            Re: You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by foogla 08/07/2003, 3:41pm PDT NEW
                Re: You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by laudablepuss 08/07/2003, 4:13pm PDT NEW
                    Didn't his awful cruelty and dictatorship bother you? Only WMDs? NT by mrs. johnson 08/07/2003, 5:02pm PDT NEW
                        Sure. So what? by laudablepuss 08/07/2003, 5:16pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Didn't his awful cruelty and dictatorship bother you? Only WMDs? by Lizard_King 08/07/2003, 9:10pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Didn't his awful cruelty and dictatorship bother you? Only WMDs? by godamit 08/08/2003, 10:49am PDT NEW
                Re: You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by Lizard_King 08/07/2003, 8:55pm PDT NEW
                    Re: You cite Buchanan AND Raimondo in one post. by foogla 08/08/2003, 4:32am PDT NEW
            The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Senor Barborito 08/08/2003, 4:34am PDT NEW
                Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 10:49am PDT NEW
                Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 11:05am PDT NEW
                    Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 11:17am PDT NEW
                    Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Fullofkittens 08/08/2003, 12:31pm PDT NEW
                        Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 12:44pm PDT NEW
                        Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 3:03pm PDT NEW
                            Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 3:59pm PDT NEW
                                Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 4:27pm PDT NEW
                                    My "we elected Gore" comment... by Fullofkittens 08/08/2003, 4:57pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: My "we elected Gore" comment... by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 5:29pm PDT NEW
                                            As you speak by Fullofkittens 08/08/2003, 7:01pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: As you speak by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 7:19pm PDT NEW
                                                    Re: As you speak by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 9:33pm PDT NEW
                                                        Re: As you speak by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 12:00am PDT NEW
                                                            What the hell? by Damocles 08/09/2003, 2:12am PDT NEW
                                                                Re: What the hell? by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 2:29am PDT NEW
                                                            Re: As you speak by I need clarification 08/09/2003, 2:33pm PDT NEW
                                                                Re: As you speak by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 4:24pm PDT NEW
                                                                    Re: As you speak by I need clarification 08/09/2003, 4:52pm PDT NEW
                                                                        Re: As you speak by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 5:41pm PDT NEW
                                                                            Re: As you speak by I need clarification 08/09/2003, 10:22pm PDT NEW
                                                                                If we were a democracy we'd get better tech, but then have riots because of Iraq NT by Roop Dirump 08/09/2003, 11:07pm PDT NEW
                                                                                    Or you'd have more energy, more Fungus growth and more Drones while at war. NT by foogla 08/10/2003, 4:49am PDT NEW
                                                                                Are you just trolling me now? Or have you always? NT by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 11:46pm PDT NEW
                                                                                    For a while now, yeah by I need clarification 08/10/2003, 1:14am PDT NEW
                            Re: The real reason the left opposed the war, and other crap by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 5:54pm PDT NEW
                                My pleasure by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 6:03pm PDT NEW
                                    Well, that explains a lot. by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 6:35pm PDT NEW
                    I hate it when you get lazy by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 2:01pm PDT NEW
                        I hate it when you post by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 2:54pm PDT NEW
                            Re: I hate it when you post by Dr. Logic 08/08/2003, 3:40pm PDT NEW
                                Re: I hate it when you post by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 3:52pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: I hate it when you post by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 5:26pm PDT NEW
                                        Re: I hate it when you post by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 5:56pm PDT NEW
                                            My mistake. by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 7:00pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: My mistake. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 8:51pm PDT NEW
                            Don't accuse me of babbling while the spit bubbles drift by your retard helmet by I need clarification 08/08/2003, 3:52pm PDT NEW
                                Re: Don't accuse me of babbling while the spit bubbles drift by your retard helm by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 3:58pm PDT NEW
                                    Re: Don't accuse me of babbling while the spit bubbles drift by your retard helm by Dr. Logic 08/08/2003, 4:06pm PDT NEW
                                        It didn't originate from the document. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 4:34pm PDT NEW
                            "learned" implies truth. NT by Damocles 08/09/2003, 2:13am PDT NEW
                                Hitting "reply" implies you have something to add. by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 2:31am PDT NEW
                                    I used to think LK was Damocles's new nick NT by FABIO 08/09/2003, 10:52pm PDT NEW
                                        That our views are directly contrary must have tipped you off. NT by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 11:46pm PDT NEW
                                            Re: That our views are directly contrary must have tipped you off. by FABIO 08/10/2003, 1:29am PDT NEW
                    Since you asked me by Senor Barborito 08/08/2003, 7:01pm PDT NEW
                        Re: Since you asked me by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 9:25pm PDT NEW
                            That response was beneath you by Senor Barborito 08/08/2003, 10:44pm PDT NEW
                                Nothing is beneath me. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 11:56pm PDT NEW
                                    Thank you. by Senor Barborito 08/09/2003, 7:12am PDT NEW
                                        Re: Thank you. by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 1:13pm PDT NEW
                                            Hmmm by Senor Barborito 08/09/2003, 2:57pm PDT NEW
                                                Re: Hmmm by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 5:47pm PDT NEW
                WHAT??!!!! by Mischief Maker 08/08/2003, 1:08pm PDT NEW
                    That's because you are (far) to the left of even them. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 2:55pm PDT NEW
                        Imagine an airplane. by laudablepuss 08/08/2003, 3:30pm PDT NEW
                            Re: Imagine an airplane. by Lizard_King 08/08/2003, 3:49pm PDT NEW
                                You people must feel awful by mrs. johnson 08/08/2003, 6:54pm PDT NEW
                                    That's not what a writer would do NT by Fussbett 08/09/2003, 2:21am PDT NEW
                                    Ignorance is only bliss for fools and cowards.NT NT by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 5:49pm PDT NEW
                                        What if the topic at hand is menstruation? NT by Senor Barborito 08/09/2003, 6:20pm PDT NEW
                                            Your own or someone else's? NT by Lizard_King 08/09/2003, 6:42pm PDT NEW
                            When can I stop imagining an airplane? NT by Fussbett 08/09/2003, 2:23am PDT NEW
                                Now you have to imagine it slamming into the WTC :( NT by I need clarification 08/09/2003, 2:50am PDT NEW
                                    Then you have to imagine the entire passanger compliment fucking. wildly. -nt- by Chairman Mao 08/09/2003, 3:11am PDT NEW
                                        Talk about explosive orgasms NT by TERRASTS R SEXY 08/09/2003, 2:58pm PDT NEW
                                    On the upside: Hippies and Nazis on the left wing die. NT by Fussbett 08/09/2003, 4:59pm PDT NEW
                                        :( NT by foogla 08/09/2003, 8:00pm PDT NEW
                                I was going to tie it in and forgot. So, uh, you can stop now. NT by laudablepuss 08/10/2003, 3:22am PDT NEW
 
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