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Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by curst 02/24/2003, 11:16pm PST
Ice Cream Jonsey wrote:

And the thing is, I would happily play games that were linear if the stories were better.


I'm already taking back my newfound pure-hatred stance on RTS games, because when thinking about doing an all-purpose rant on this stuff, I replayed some. And with Warlords Battlecry 2... huh. To my surprise I found that it still holds some appeal to me. Part of it stems from the fact that it seems to recognize that most if not all RTS games boast completely forgettable stories no one can possibly be made to give a shit about, so it does away with it completely. It's about as "free-form" as an RTS can probably get.

I'm not sure it's qualifies as the sort of gloriously non-linear game SB's talking about (again, would that be possible with a strategy game?), but there's some cool stuff that it does that other RTS titles do either half-assedly or not at all:

- RPG elements are really well developed. This isn't Warcraft 3 where every level 10 paladin will be identical to every other one. The main unit in your army is the hero. You choose his/her race, which will determine what classes you can pick from (fighter, mage, rogue, maybe other stuff like priests? I forget most of them). They'll have various stats and skill attributes, much like Diablo. Then once you gain a level you can specialize - i.e. fighters can become either paladins, rangers, barbarians or probably other assorted things. You get stuff that's a lot like Fallout's "perks" if you spend a lot of growth points (which are gained, of course, when you gain a level of experience). There's a nice, big-ass variety of spells to choose from (I think there's 8 schools of magic with 15 spells per school). And at level 22, I wonder if there is any kind of experience cap at all.

- While you generally have to rebuild your army/fortifications when going from one mission to the next, your hero will be able to retain a Retinue, the size of which is limited by your Command or Leadership attribute (I forget what it's called). The Retinue consists of basic units that survived in battle long enough to gain experience levels - they'll be given names and will become dramatically more powerful. Plus, before a battle begins, either the computer will decide (if you're playing the campaign) or you can decide (if you're going multiplayer or doing an AI skirmish) how many Starting Army Points you can use to build a starting army, and this will be equal for every player in the game. And if you don't use up all your SAPs by bringing along your retinue units, you can then bring some basic units as well. It's a great feature that prevents early rushes, because each base starts off with three deadly towers, and any rushers would see their units get slaughted by the towers and enemy's starting army, therefore all they accomplished was wasting resources and basically handing their enemy free XP. (Oh yeah, XP levels can be gained in mid-battle - the hero doesn't get any until they win the battle, but basic units grow constantly.)

- Speaking of the campaign... again, it doesn't even try to do one in the traditional sense. Rather, the land is divided into about 50 countries, and the eight or twelve or whatever races each control a certain percentage. Then you choose an enemy country adjacent to one of your countries that you want to invade. The country you pick will cause it use the random mission generator (which works okay but doesn't do anything astoundingly cool) with certain settings - i.e. sometimes it'll always change the mission goal to 'assassinate the enemy hero' or 'build a level 5 main tower'. If you win the mission, you gain control of the land. This A: increases your Starting Army Points amount for your next battle, and B: gives your units a special benefit (i.e. +1 to all melee damage, movement is slightly increased). The downside is that while the first few missions you play are incredibly easy, the AI gets tougher every few missions, until you'd swear that it's cheating its ass off. There's no story whatsoever other than "kill everyone and unite the land under your rule".

- If you take your hero into a Skirmish mission (not part of the Campaign), the experience, items, special retinue units and so forth that you get after you win can be carried over to the Campaign even if you're in the middle of one. It's much like Dynasty Warriors 3, where if you found that your character wasn't strong enough to take on a particular mission in your campaign, then you simply take them through a few runs of easy missions in Freestyle mode to boost their stats, then return to their campaign.

- It's not as crash-prone as the first Battlecry. Of course, FEW THINGS ARE. I guess what I mean to say is that it *seems* to be bug-free. I noticed there are two patches for the thing, but I don't really need them right now.

Otherwise, the game is a rather typical top-down RTS. By all rights, I should still be bored by it, and I'll probably give up on the thing in a few weeks (especially since I only just now bothered to get Thief 2, which will likely consume a lot of time). But right now it's - dare I say - fun!
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Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by Tom-Foolery Constructor 02/21/2003, 2:29pm PST NEW
    Re: Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by FABIO 02/21/2003, 7:23pm PST NEW
        What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FoK 02/23/2003, 9:37pm PST NEW
            Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FABIO 02/23/2003, 11:01pm PST NEW
                Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by fok 02/23/2003, 11:11pm PST NEW
            Did you even read the initial post? by Senor Barborito 02/23/2003, 11:10pm PST NEW
                Yeah... by fok 02/24/2003, 12:57am PST NEW
                you just rebuted yourself by FABIO 02/24/2003, 10:04am PST NEW
                    I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 10:17am PST NEW
                        Willful Misunderstanding by Mr. Palomar 02/24/2003, 12:39pm PST NEW
                        Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:24pm PST NEW
                            Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:26pm PST NEW
                                I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 11:38pm PST NEW
                                    Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:56am PST NEW
                                        Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:16pm PST NEW
                                            Fixed quotes. And hopefully clarified for the final time here. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:24pm PST NEW
                                            JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by Bill Dungsroman 02/26/2003, 5:21pm PST NEW
                                                Re: JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by FABIO 02/26/2003, 9:24pm PST NEW
                        Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/24/2003, 3:25pm PST NEW
                            RE: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Alternate789 02/24/2003, 4:16pm PST NEW
                            Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by curst 02/24/2003, 11:16pm PST NEW
                Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 1:40am PST NEW
                    That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 2:16am PST NEW
                        Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:35am PST NEW
                        Koreans: fast index fingers? by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:17am PST NEW
                            No, fast min-max by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:22am PST NEW
                                Re: No, fast min-max by ValiumAddict 02/25/2003, 3:39pm PST NEW
                                Re: No, fast min-max by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:36pm PDT NEW
                        Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:44pm PST NEW
                    Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:26am PST NEW
                        Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:20pm PST NEW
                            Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 5:28pm PST NEW
                                Queneau plays Black and White by Mr. Palomar 02/25/2003, 5:59pm PST NEW
                                Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 7:35pm PST NEW
                                Re: Did you even read the initial post? by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:40pm PDT NEW
                                    If you're going to respond to 2003 you could get the title right. NT by Soul Calibur 07/05/2007, 9:42pm PDT NEW
                    Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 3:39am PST NEW
                        I used to win money playing Quake regularly by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:41am PST NEW
                            "See, I'm really good a video games!" by Irritating kid 02/25/2003, 9:20am PST NEW
                                Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by FABIO 02/25/2003, 11:55am PST NEW
                                    Hey, that's my line. by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:06pm PST NEW
                                        Video Games, Chess, and Laziness. by mrs. johnson 02/25/2003, 4:40pm PST NEW
                                            Yes, exactly. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:29pm PST NEW
                                                Re: Yes, exactly. by mark 02/25/2003, 8:36pm PST NEW
                                                    This argument is pretty much over by now, right? by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 9:08pm PST NEW
                                                    There isn't one strategy for chess that will always win NT by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 11:49pm PST NEW
                                        that's guy's a fucking crackpot by FABIO 02/25/2003, 6:35pm PST NEW
                                            I don't know about suspense games, but much of his strategy talk is dead on-nt- by mark 02/25/2003, 6:51pm PST NEW
                                            it's all DePalma's fault by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:45pm PST NEW
                                                Re: it's all DePalma's fault by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:44pm PST NEW
                                    Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:43pm PDT NEW
                                        This guy is new and already knows SB was crazy and Zseni is bad at everything by Flavilio 07/06/2007, 12:10am PDT NEW
                                            Battlenet screenname is Balrog200 or soapie on USEast, channel scu NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:32am PDT NEW
                                                alternatively aim screenname is balrog36 NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:47am PDT NEW
                                                    ^^^ This guy loves balrogs. NT by Any and all balrogs. 07/07/2007, 2:57am PDT NEW
                        Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 5:03pm PST NEW
                            You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 6:57pm PST NEW
                                Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:51pm PST NEW
                                    Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 8:17pm PST NEW
                            Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 8:00pm PST NEW
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