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by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:20pm PST |
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Zseni wrote:
...The real question under it all though is where is the game? Because it ain't in the same place for mindless Koreans as it is for mindless Americans; it's not in the same place for Kasparov or Sampras as it is for the piker. I want to suggest that not only are the games in different places, they are different games entirely, played for different goals. All the whiny whiteys want to play their particular game and know who is the best at it, but those yellow bastards have taken the gameboard and started doing something completely different and actively destructive to their game. It's not merely a question of high-level and low-level play.
Yeah, I think that a serious game played at a high level is "fun" of a particular kind, if you can even still call it fun at all. It's more like the higher-stakes and less immediately satisfying work-pleasure of a long-term creative, engineering, or theoretical project. High level players are sort of competing with each other to "solve" the game in a way (have I hedged that statement enough?) so it's not surprising that what they do can look like "breaking" the game to a casual player. Sometimes the game needs to be adjusted to compensate for imbalances (between strategies) that threaten to monopolize the gamespace. So, for example, the size and material of allowable tennis rackets and baseball bats, the legality of zone defense in basketball, the material and build-time cost of units in an rts, etc. Nonetheless, I can't imagine complaining about Boris Becker's serve or Babe Ruth's swing. I can't imagine wanting them to hold back for the good of the game, or being contemptuous of them for reducing the set of viable strategies. If you are serious player of game X it's your job to reduce that set, every match is a hypothesis about reducing that set, and your opponent's job is to test that hypothesis to the best of his or her abilities. You can think of that process as a destructive breaking down, or you can think of it as a collaborative carving away that is progressively revealing essential properties of the system.
Zseni wrote:
Tho where I come from whining about it either way is strictly prohibited..
That's what I'm talking about.
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Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by Tom-Foolery Constructor 02/21/2003, 2:29pm PST
Re: Why I hate RTS and how to make the greatest one EVAR by FABIO 02/21/2003, 7:23pm PST
What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FoK 02/23/2003, 9:37pm PST
Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by FABIO 02/23/2003, 11:01pm PST
Re: What's wrong with rock/paper/scissors? by fok 02/23/2003, 11:11pm PST
Did you even read the initial post? by Senor Barborito 02/23/2003, 11:10pm PST
Yeah... by fok 02/24/2003, 12:57am PST
you just rebuted yourself by FABIO 02/24/2003, 10:04am PST
I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 10:17am PST
Willful Misunderstanding by Mr. Palomar 02/24/2003, 12:39pm PST
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:24pm PST
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by FABIO 02/24/2003, 2:26pm PST
I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/24/2003, 11:38pm PST
Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:56am PST
Re: I did answer you, dumbass. Christ you're thick. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:16pm PST
Fixed quotes. And hopefully clarified for the final time here. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:24pm PST
JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by Bill Dungsroman 02/26/2003, 5:21pm PST
Re: JU-LIE! JU-LIE! JU-LIE! -nt- by FABIO 02/26/2003, 9:24pm PST
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Ice Cream Jonsey 02/24/2003, 3:25pm PST
RE: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by Alternate789 02/24/2003, 4:16pm PST
Re: I think it was pretty obvious what I was saying, dumbass by curst 02/24/2003, 11:16pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 1:40am PST
That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 2:16am PST
Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:35am PST
Koreans: fast index fingers? by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:17am PST
No, fast min-max by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:22am PST
Re: No, fast min-max by ValiumAddict 02/25/2003, 3:39pm PST
Re: No, fast min-max by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:36pm PDT
Re: That was easily the stupidest thing you have ever written by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:44pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 2:26am PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 4:20pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Zseni 02/25/2003, 5:28pm PST
Queneau plays Black and White by Mr. Palomar 02/25/2003, 5:59pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 7:35pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:40pm PDT
If you're going to respond to 2003 you could get the title right. NT by Soul Calibur 07/05/2007, 9:42pm PDT
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 3:39am PST
I used to win money playing Quake regularly by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:41am PST
"See, I'm really good a video games!" by Irritating kid 02/25/2003, 9:20am PST
Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by FABIO 02/25/2003, 11:55am PST
Hey, that's my line. by Fussbett 02/25/2003, 4:06pm PST
Video Games, Chess, and Laziness. by mrs. johnson 02/25/2003, 4:40pm PST
Yes, exactly. by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 7:29pm PST
Re: Yes, exactly. by mark 02/25/2003, 8:36pm PST
This argument is pretty much over by now, right? by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 9:08pm PST
There isn't one strategy for chess that will always win NT by Senor Barborito 02/25/2003, 11:49pm PST
that's guy's a fucking crackpot by FABIO 02/25/2003, 6:35pm PST
I don't know about suspense games, but much of his strategy talk is dead on-nt- by mark 02/25/2003, 6:51pm PST
it's all DePalma's fault by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:45pm PST
Re: it's all DePalma's fault by FABIO 02/25/2003, 10:44pm PST
Re: "See, I'm really good a video games!" by TehFieryBalrog 07/05/2007, 9:43pm PDT
This guy is new and already knows SB was crazy and Zseni is bad at everything by Flavilio 07/06/2007, 12:10am PDT
Battlenet screenname is Balrog200 or soapie on USEast, channel scu NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:32am PDT
alternatively aim screenname is balrog36 NT by TehFieryBalrog 07/07/2007, 12:47am PDT
^^^ This guy loves balrogs. NT by Any and all balrogs. 07/07/2007, 2:57am PDT
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Monty Cantsin 02/25/2003, 5:03pm PST
You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 6:57pm PST
Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by jeep 02/25/2003, 7:51pm PST
Re: You CAN turtle in RA2+YR by Bodybag 02/25/2003, 8:17pm PST
Re: Did you even read the initial post? by Ray, of Light 02/25/2003, 8:00pm PST
StarScripts are tomorrow's Blueprints by Fussbett 10/30/2006, 11:30pm PST
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